05-23-2016, 01:32 AM | #41 | |
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Thing is that might well be perfectly realistic (military load outs are heavy, soldiers do complain about them, there is a long and glorious history of official and unofficial attempts to lighten loads when ever possible). However that said I tend to allow soldiers who have gone though training regimes that involve a lot of marching and drill with full pack, lifting ST. To model their ability to operate with such loads. (not that I have any issue with some soldiers in the Vietnam war having ST11)! Last edited by Tomsdad; 05-23-2016 at 03:49 AM. |
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05-23-2016, 01:57 AM | #42 | |
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DX, IQ and HT are meant to be rolled and center on the bell-curve. ST is not meant to be rolled, and is more about determining where you fall on a scale. ST 1, or fractional ST, or ST 1000, are all sensible stats representing reasonable things (a mouse, an insect, a spaceship). But, I would argue, the cost system doesn't really factor this stuff. You can't price the ST of an insect without breaking the system, and buying a spaceship as a character quickly results in absolutely stupid results (especially if you want something like a spaceship that has 20% more hitpoints than most spaceships, you're paying 2000 points for that privilege, while +20% ability to strike targets is going to be less than 100 points)
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05-23-2016, 04:05 AM | #43 | |
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The problem is if you ignore body weight than you have the following situation A 200lb man with ST10 puts on 100lb ruck sack and suffers heavy encumbrance but if he puts on 100lb of fat he's fine. Which is why the text box on pg 19 suggests modelling a realistic adjustment to Move due to ST:Weight ratio by buying/selling Move. Last edited by Tomsdad; 05-23-2016 at 04:14 AM. |
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05-23-2016, 03:21 PM | #44 |
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The problem with ST is that high ST is much more useful for smaller characters than larger characters because of tactical utility. An ST 50 SM+4 creature is going to have less tactical utility than an ST 50 SM+0 creature. The former is incapable of entering most buildings without destroying them from the outside while the latter is capable of infiltrating the same building and punching people through the walls.
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There is no simple answer for Gurps as it stands. All are either kludges with their own realism issues, or added complexities unsuitable for many gamers.
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But haven't we all had trouble moving objects that are just slightly too bulky or large to move regardless of actual mass? Many a couch was a hassle for me even though I could easily carry a similarly massed small chair, for example.
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Look at the extinct megalodon. A human wouldn't be a grape, but your guy would be proper food and get eaten. It's that it's called a zero point feature, but those specifics are assumed but unstated, for the most part. Many optional rules are all over the place in supplements further confusing the issue. If they were listed we could more easily check them off adding as we go to properly assess SMs (dis)advantageous status for any specific campaign/setting.
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05-23-2016, 03:51 PM | #49 |
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People have made collections of the published effects of SM before.
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