07-28-2018, 02:59 PM | #441 |
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Only children of the noble brides can inherit the throne. However, the commoner brides buy their families patents of nobility in the next generation; their parents and siblings remain commoners, but their children, nieces, and nephews are aristocrats, and their descendants thereafter. Thus, a few generations down the line, they can hope to provide aristocratic brides and hence potential heirs.
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07-29-2018, 09:41 PM | #442 | |
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07-30-2018, 07:03 AM | #443 | |
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For a class system to be really stable you need mechanisms for the really talented or successful to rise in class by some method less destructive than leading a revolution, but a lot of them seem to neglect to provide one, or even actively oppose it at least at the higher levels. This one may not be perfect, but at least it's *something*.
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07-30-2018, 04:44 PM | #444 | |
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But yes having a way to earn promotion is a common weakness. It is not a "mistake", it is a combination of simply natural nepotism, and snobbery and a more distasteful practice of ideologizing same. The nobles know perfectly well they are excluding talented commoners; the fact is, this is because they see talented commoners as a threat not a resource to be harness. But if there was a hypothetically more enlightened nobility it would be different. Just the Austenist practice of old money marrying new relieved a lot of it. However there was no purchasing of patents per se, just the tacit assumption that having a noble in-law automatically upped the lineage.
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07-30-2018, 05:32 PM | #445 | |
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Of course, most government systems also have multiple actors whose interests are not completely aligned, who might be inclined to support a reform that stabilizes the entire system at the expense of some other group (e.g. it might be useful to the Counts to forbid creation of new Counts, but it might be useful to the King to create new Counts to reward loyal or useful people. On the other hand, it may be useful to the Counts to have a way of removing an inept King, but the King is probably opposed). |
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07-30-2018, 05:49 PM | #446 | |
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Before the moderator objects, the point is that it is related to the subject. All constitutions have to be related to the economy, the social ecology, and the political position of a given state.
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07-31-2018, 08:13 AM | #447 |
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The smart aristocracy realises that it needs to bring in new blood over time (both to maintain itself and to prevent revolution), and invents a method of making that new blood into "people like us" – i.e. people who are similarly invested in preserving the status quo. Might be land grants, might be something else.
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07-31-2018, 08:52 AM | #448 | |
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Possibly marrying new money to old was one of the best. As was promoting squirearchy. As was giving merit enoblements . The British squirearchy did have a way to "purchace" nobility as one could become equiv to the nobility by buying land. Often the money was from naval captures making it almost the same material as the original aristocracy.
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07-31-2018, 10:48 AM | #449 |
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Rule by proxy:
There is no government. Theoretically. It is a pure democracy. But anyone who wishes can proxy his vote as he will. The effect is a weighted legislature with the most popular having the most clout. Executive and judicial magistrates are either chosen out of their number or by reproxying to new parties. Thus the size of the government varies constantly.
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07-31-2018, 11:11 AM | #450 | |
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Can you literally buy votes? "I will pay you 500 dollars a year to choose me as your representative?" That's a system I can totally see though.
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