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Old 04-19-2005, 01:22 AM   #11
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Okay. . . that's the sort of disad I would personally disallow because it doesn't actually disadvantage this character in any way, where as a sense of duty might.

A disadvantage like reluctant killer I would usually give to someone who has been in the position where they have had to kill, and they realize that the thought of it is disturbing afterwards - so a non-adventurer or non-hunter for instance couldn't have "reluctant killer" - they aren't ever in a posiiton to need to make that choice - so it is more of a quirk level disad for them.

Different strokes.
Act it is a Valid disadvantage, for Adventures as it does limit your options. Though I encourage my players to Take Can not harm Innocents, simply because I prefer those type of characters in my games.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:25 AM   #12
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Act it is a Valid disadvantage, for Adventures as it does limit your options. Though I encourage my players to Take Can not harm Innocents, simply because I prefer those type of characters in my games.
Right, but Ze's point was this is Not an adventurer. Hence my question, how does it limit this non-adventuring pre-school teacher? It doesn't seem it owuld be a valid disad for this character, becuase for her, it shoudln't be an issue.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:44 AM   #13
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Right, but Ze's point was this is Not an adventurer. Hence my question, how does it limit this non-adventuring pre-school teacher? It doesn't seem it owuld be a valid disad for this character, becuase for her, it shoudln't be an issue.
No more so that ST 8 is to a Mage. of Ugly is to a Brawller.

they are limiting, just ther choosen profession it probibly not goin to mtter too much.

But who knows the Teacher might be taking her Class on a Field Trip, when they are taken hostage, or Some Trise to Blackmail her over how she aquared her Erotic Art DX/Avg [4], (can which can be desatrouse for a school teacher).

In situations like those the disadvaged is going effect ther options.
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Old 04-19-2005, 02:13 AM   #14
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Nice character. Of course, a few nits to pick (like pacifism -I'd have gone for self-defense only), but overall, very nice. Believable, yet intriguing.

EDIT: Oops, wrong thread.

Here's a fresh-faced young irishman:
Seamus McCray, rookie cop [24 points]
Age 20. 5'9'', 160 lbs

Attributes
ST 11 [10] HP 11 [0]
IQ 10 [0]
DX 10 [0]
HT 10 [0] FP 10 [0]
Will 10 [0]
Per 11 [+5]

Advantages
Fit [5]
Honest Face [+1]
Attractive [+4]
Legal Enforcement Powers [5]
Reputation: Son of a Cop, +2 from other officers (large group), sometimes [3]
Police Rank 0 [0]

Disadvantages

Duty (Police force, quite often) [-10]
Pacifism: Reluctant Killer [-5]
Sense of Duty(fellow officers) [-10]
Reputation: Rookie, -1 from other officers (large group), all the time [3]

Quirks
Heavy Drinker [-1]
Devout Catholic [-1]
Talks about "Us" and "Them" (civilians) [-1]
Despises private security guards [-1]

Skills

Acting IQ/Avg [0] - 5 -
Area Knowledge (Home city) IQ/Easy [2] - 11 -
Boxing DX/Avg [4] - 11 -
Carousing HT/Easy [2] - 11 -
Criminology IQ/Avg [1] - 9 -
Detect Lies Per/Hard [1] - 9 -
Diplomacy IQ/Hard [1] - 8 -
Driving (automobile) DX/Avg [1] - 9 -
First Aid IQ/Easy [1] - 10 -
Guns (pistol) DX/Easy [1] - 10 -
Guns (shotgun) DX/Easy [1] -10 -
Interrogation IQ/Avg [0] - 7 -
Intimidation Will/Avg [2] - 10 -
Law (police) IQ/Hard [1] - 8 -
Liquid Projector (sprayer) DX/Easy [0] - 6 -
Shortsword (baton) DX/Avg [0] - 5 -
Observation Per/Avg [2] - 11
Psychology IQ/Hard [0] - 4 -
Running HT/Avg [2] - 10 -
Savoir-faire (police) IQ/Easy [1] - 10
Search Per/Avg [0] - 6 -
Stealth DX/Avg [1] - 9 -

Seamus is fresh out of academy, which is reflected in his low skill ratings. He spends his spare time working out, watching tv and going to bars. For a more ambitious version, add a point of IQ, and boost his academical skills by a point or so each. Remove AK, carousing and 2 points of boxing.

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Old 04-19-2005, 02:39 AM   #15
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Right, but Ze's point was this is Not an adventurer. Hence my question, how does it limit this non-adventuring pre-school teacher? It doesn't seem it owuld be a valid disad for this character, because for her, it shouldn't be an issue.
OK, I condensed the Pacifism to Self-Defense Only, which is pretty much the same as Cannot Harm Innocents w/Reluctant Killer.

If you notice, Kathy also has significant skill in self-defense, both armed and unarmed. Bad things sometimes happen to non-adventurers, she's not too badly traumatized by her past and she's currently leading a normal life.
However, the next time she gets assaulted she may be armed.
Of course, she may still hesitate to use her gun, if she has it with her, until it's too late, but even as a non-adventurer there's still the possibility that she may fight back.
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Old 04-19-2005, 02:57 AM   #16
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EDIT: Oops, wrong thread.
That's okay, we just age him a few decades and he'll be good to go.

Here's a Craggy-faced old irishman:
Seamus McCray, veteran cop, sergeant [0 points]
Age 50. 5'9'', 202 lbs

Attributes
ST 11 [10] HP 11 [0]
IQ 11 [10]
DX 9 [-20]
HT 9 [-10] FP 9 [0]
Will 10 [0]
Per 11 [+5]

Advantages
Honest Face [+1]
Legal Enforcement Powers [5]
Reputation: Veteran a Cop, +4 from other officers (large group), sometimes [6]
Police Rank 3 [15]

Disadvantages
Alcoholism [-15]
Duty (Police force, quite often) [-10]
Pacifism: Reluctant Killer [-5]
Overweight [-1]
Sense of Duty(fellow officers) [-10]
Secret: Drunk (Would have to Rehab) [-5]

Quirks
Likes Smelly Cigars [-1]
Devout Catholic [-1]
Still thinks he's attractive [-1]
Talks about "Us" and "Them" (civilians) [-1]
Despises private security guards [-1]

Skills
Acting IQ/Avg [1] - 9 -
Area Knowledge (Home city) IQ/Easy [4] - 12 -
Boxing DX/Avg [2] - 9 -
Carousing HT/Easy [2] - 10 -
Criminology IQ/Avg [2] - 11 -
Detect Lies Per/Hard [2] - 11 -
Diplomacy IQ/Hard [1] - 9 -
Driving (automobile) DX/Avg [1] - 9 -
First Aid IQ/Easy [1] - 11 -
Guns (pistol) DX/Easy [2] - 10 -
Guns (shotgun) DX/Easy [1] -9 -
Interrogation IQ/Avg [1] - 10 -
Intimidation Will/Avg [2] - 10 -
Law (police) IQ/Hard [1] - 9 -
Liquid Projector (sprayer) DX/Easy [0] - 6 -
Shortsword (baton) DX/Avg [1] - 8 -
Observation Per/Avg [2] - 11
Psychology IQ/Hard [0] - 5 -
Running HT/Avg [1] - 8 -
Savoir-faire (police) IQ/Easy [1] - 11
Search Per/Avg [1] - 10 -
Stealth DX/Avg [1] - 8 -

Seamus has been a cop too long. He's made sergeant, but he'll probably never make detective. He's close to having his thirty years in, and he may retire soon. He spends his spare time, watching tv and going to bars.

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Old 04-19-2005, 09:48 AM   #17
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OK, I condensed the Pacifism to Self-Defense Only, which is pretty much the same as Cannot Harm Innocents w/Reluctant Killer.

If you notice, Kathy also has significant skill in self-defense, both armed and unarmed. Bad things sometimes happen to non-adventurers, she's not too badly traumatized by her past and she's currently leading a normal life.
However, the next time she gets assaulted she may be armed.
Of course, she may still hesitate to use her gun, if she has it with her, until it's too late, but even as a non-adventurer there's still the possibility that she may fight back.
See, that is more of what I was asking - she has had to defend herself before, and is somewhat afraid she might need to do so again. That way the original disad makes some sense for her, which was really the question, however, the new pacifism works equally well, and I could see this as an NPC in my 'super cop' campaign.
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Old 04-19-2005, 03:43 PM   #18
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See, that is more of what I was asking - she has had to defend herself before, and is somewhat afraid she might need to do so again. That way the original disad makes some sense for her, which was really the question, however, the new pacifism works equally well, and I could see this as an NPC in my 'super cop' campaign.
I gotcha, tossing up a bunch of numbers doesn't really mean much, unless I tie a bit of backstory to it to make them come alive.

You have a good point. I was doing this in silly fun, but I might as well make these characters useful to others if I'm going to go through the bother of writting them, and you're going through the bother of reading them.
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I gotcha, tossing up a bunch of numbers doesn't really mean much, unless I tie a bit of backstory to it to make them come alive.

You have a good point. I was doing this in silly fun, but I might as well make these characters useful to others if I'm going to go through the bother of writting them, and you're going through the bother of reading them.

Exactly!!!!


God I hate trying to communicate over the net at times - understanding is so much easier to reach in person. But then we couldn't have all this fun eh?
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Old 04-19-2005, 03:57 PM   #20
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God I hate trying to communicate over the net at times - understanding is so much easier to reach in person. But then we couldn't have all this fun eh?
Absolutely!
BTW, I incorporated part of your summary into her backstory and edited the first post to update her as usable.
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