Reptile Men -- Your thoughts?

[phiwum]

You're right that the maximum load for an ST 24 horse (a riding horse, say) is 288 lbs (ITL 66). A ST30 draft or war horse could carry 480lbs, at MA -12. That would slow the draft horse to MA 10 (ouch) and the war horse to MA 12.

(Here, I'm assuming that the Reptile Man isn't empty-handed. At 300lbs exactly, these ST 30 horses would be MA -10 instead of MA -12.)

I guess I'd have to agree. A reptile man would have serious issues on a horse, even if the horse tolerated his reptilian fearsomeness.

ITL says that reptile men often domesticate Uncle Teeth as a mount, but this would require Driver skill, not Horsemanship.

[phiwum]

Henry, where are you getting your weight for Reptile Men? It's a large one hex figure, just like a gargoyle, and the gargoyle weighs 300lbs, but I don't know that means the Reptile Man weighs the same as a duck gargoyle.

I'm not saying 300lbs is unreasonable for a 7ft. tall, heavily built humanoid lizard. I've only known a couple of those and not well enough to inquire about weight. I'm just wondering if there's some explicit source for saying they weigh 300lbs.

(Back in 2015, there was a 7' tall, 440lb high school football player, so 300lbs doesn't sound crazy for a solidly built lizard.)

[TippetsTX]

Originally Posted by phiwum

The bolded is an interesting suggestion. Use of Animal Handler starts with a 3/IQ roll, but then has an explicit reaction roll (ITL 37). Horsemanship involves IQ tests for preventing panic, but no explicit reaction roll (ITL 133).

It's interesting Henry brought this up... I have actually made this an explicit trait of reptile-men in my game, namely that they create 'fight or flight' reactions in most mammals and are thus prohibited from riding horses or training non-reptilian beasts.

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by phiwum

Henry, where are you getting your weight for Reptile Men?

It does say 300 pounds or more (ITL 66 left column) so it could easily be around 400 pounds.

[phiwum]

Originally Posted by hcobb

It does say 300 pounds or more so it could easily be around 400 pounds.

I must be blind or looking in the wrong place. Where does it say that?

I'm using the latest PDF for ITL.

Thanks.

[Shostak]

ITL 66 lists large 1-hex figures as averaging 300 lb.

[phiwum]

Ah, thanks.

[Bill_in_IN]

Good discussion that's bringing back my memories. Thanks folks.

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by Shostak

ITL 66 lists large 1-hex figures as averaging 300 lb.

Well...I'm only 5'9" tall. At one time, about 19 years ago, I weighed over 330 lbs. I have a stocky frame that allows me to carry far more weight than I should. So, a 300 lb. One hex character is very possible.

[phiwum]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_IN

Well...I'm only 5'9" tall. At one time, about 19 years ago, I weighed over 330 lbs. I have a stocky frame that allows me to carry far more weight than I should. So, a 300 lb. One hex character is very possible.

I don't think there's any doubt about the plausibility of a 300lb one hex character. My question was just whether RAW explicitly stated that Reptile Men weighed that much, because I couldn't find it.

Shostak provided the reference I was missing.