[High-Tech] Early Light-Anti-Tank weapons

[johndallman]

The M1A1 Bazooka and the Panzerfaust 30 in High-tech both have Acc 0. This means you don't get any bonus to hit if you aim, even if you do so for multiple seconds. This seems a bit surprising: neither is a terribly precise weapon AFAIK, but they're fairly sizable and have sights: Acc 1 would be the same as a very small handgun.

G:WWII gives them Acc 9 and 4 respectively. Those are 3e figures, in the same ballpark as a carbine and a pistol.

I'm not sure if this is errata, a different view or better research. Any ideas?

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by johndallman

The M1A1 Bazooka and the Panzerfaust 30 in High-tech both have Acc 0. This means you don't get any bonus to hit if you aim, even if you do so for multiple seconds. This seems a bit surprising: neither is a terribly precise weapon AFAIK, but they're fairly sizable and have sights: Acc 1 would be the same as a very small handgun.

G:WWII gives them Acc 9 and 4 respectively. Those are 3e figures, in the same ballpark as a carbine and a pistol.

I'm not sure if this is errata, a different view or better research. Any ideas?

These primitive rockets probably have much less predictable trajectories than any firearm. Even for a poorly made, low velocity gun you're going to get a sheath of curved flight paths within a certain predictable dispersal.

Even later RPGs with fewer bugs like an RPG-7 have only half the velocity of a handgun bullet and tend to corkscrew naturally. Some while simply appear to turn in a random direction for no apparent reason. Others will hit the ground too soon or fly well over the target.

These weapons are good enough to use in combat at very limited ranges but he percentage of misses is quite a bit higher and the distance (or even direction) missed by is much, much higher.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by johndallman

The M1A1 Bazooka and the Panzerfaust 30 in High-tech both have Acc 0. This means you don't get any bonus to hit if you aim, even if you do so for multiple seconds.

Where do you get that? I don't see anything that precludes getting the bonuses for extended aiming. It's also possible to get an Acc bonus for bracing, though you can't get it as easily as with a pistol or even a rifle.

Originally Posted by johndallman

This seems a bit surprising: neither is a terribly precise weapon AFAIK, but they're fairly sizable and have sights: Acc 1 would be the same as a very small handgun.

There are actually a considerable number of Acc 0 handguns in High Tech and associated materials.

[johndallman]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Where do you get that? I don't see anything that precludes getting the bonuses for extended aiming. It's also possible to get an Acc bonus for bracing, though you can't get it as easily as with a pistol or even a rifle.

See Basic set, p372, emphasis mine:

When you Aim, you can receive
other bonuses for extra seconds of
aim, bracing your weapon, or using a
scope or a laser sight. These benefits
are discussed under Aim (p. 364) and
summarized under Ranged Combat
Modifiers (p. 548). The sum of Acc and
all extra aimed-fire bonuses can never
exceed twice the base Acc of the
attack.

Twice zero is zero.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by johndallman

See Basic set, p372, emphasis mine:

Twice zero is zero.

Yeah, that looks solid.

I don't know that I'd expect those weapons to deserve better than zero Acc, but an absolute disincentive to make any kind of effort at aiming seems unlikely to be appropriate. (I'm pretty sure the Panzerfaust could require substantial elevation to reach targets within its expected range, for instance.)

[weby]

I find the acc values in HT very low for the LAWs. I do not have actual experience with bazookas or panzerfeusts but having fired the M72 with acc 1 by using the default from pistol skill it felt more like a acc 2(or perhaps 3) weapon.

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Yeah, that looks solid.

I don't know that I'd expect those weapons to deserve better than zero Acc, but an absolute disincentive to make any kind of effort at aiming seems unlikely to be appropriate. (I'm pretty sure the Panzerfaust could require substantial elevation to reach targets within its expected range, for instance.)

You can always go with a non-levelled Rules Exemption Perk, takeable for each different Acc 0 weapon, that allows the first +1 bonus for aiming.

[Skarg]

To accurately model such rockets, I would suggest giving them some positive Acc but then also adding a maximum total to-hit value (like the way a Wild Swing can't exceed effective to-hit of 9), and/or a separate chance to miss or go off course.

Ideally I'd want no skill maximum and to give a bonus for aiming, but to have a success mean that the aim is on target, but then the actual rocket path varies randomly by a certain amount. For some weapons, you can even find statistics on the spread during test firing, if you care enough.