11-30-2008, 03:01 AM | #21 | |
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Re: New to GURPs; not sure where to start
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I like the way this points out what makes it so different from DnD. It may sound like it is a lot of work (but it doesnt have to be), it is about how much power you have over the rules as a GM. You're not just a GM your almost a fully fledged game designer, because it is a generic universal rp system. You (the GM) dictate the universe, reality and style of play. You as a GM are not at the mercy of every new expansion or every new deadly combo that comes around every month. You're neither a killjoy for not allowing certain rules, simply because each gm actually creates a unique game and there is none to compare with. GURPS books are not just there to fill your world, but there to help you fill them up with as much detail as you could possibly want. The great thing about detail is that you don't have to pick it up, but it is at least there if you want/need it. the thing that makes DnD easy to use is because you have a set of pre-simplifed archetypes and options. the thing about gurps is that, you have a ton of detail, choose the details important to you and it will run just as fast and the way YOU want it. If you can't make a decision, you've got the forum. |
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11-30-2008, 07:05 AM | #22 | |
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GURPS combat is swingy enough, and has so many emergent possibilities, that it can be hard to predict even if you're experienced. So for a beginning GM, I'd advise being conservative. Send in a balanced looking, or even slightly weak fight, and add reinforcements if you need to. Don't plan for an overwhelming fight unless you're fairly sure of the capabilities of both the NPCs and the PCs. Funniest example of just how odd GURPS combat can be: in my Dungeon Fantasy game, the 6 delvers entered a tomb and were set upon by fiendish dire rats. The rats were fodder and I expected them to be dispatched in about 4 seconds with no significant casualties. However, the Barbarian critically failed his identification roll and thought they were rust rats - and the rest of the delvers believed him. Much to the annoyance of the mage, who knew better. So instead of using their heavily enchanted, bonded, weapon mastered primary weapons, they went after the rats with hands and feet... and took massive injury in the process, including the mage getting overwhelmed. Players do things the GM doesn't expect. That can be good and bad. |
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11-30-2008, 12:12 PM | #23 |
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Re: New to GURPs; not sure where to start
If you plan to GM a modern game I can't recommend GURPS Action 1: Heroes and GURPS Action 2: Exploits enough.
Action 1 gives you 13 very usable templates that lets your players create almost any action hero they can imagine (except the lonly über hero, since he/she wouldn't be any fun for the other players). They include lots of detail on what you need to make a playable action hero. Also guns and gear is included. Action 2 is more of a howto for the GM. It collects all the rules and options you might want to use in an action game, and gives recommendations on which options to use and which to skip. I use both a lot in my action-spy-soldier space campaign set in 2100. |
12-01-2008, 03:30 AM | #24 |
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Re: New to GURPs; not sure where to start
I appreciate all the advice.
I talked to one of the guys who I normally play D&D with, and I asked what sort of games he would be interested in playing if we were to try something other than D&D. I told him that I was looking into trying a new system, but that I wasn't sure what sort of genre the group would be interested in. He expressed that adventuring into space was really the only thing he'd not be interested in, but he did mention being interested in something similar to Fallout (which is somewhat funny since Fallout was based on the GURPs system from what I understand.) So, basically, I think that so far it seems as though anything from the D&D/medieval fantasy tech level and genre to the near future is what I'm looking at. He passingly mentioned the wild west and doing something similar to the old tv show Kung Fu, so that's something that I'll keep in mind too. To clarify something that I said earlier, I'm not exactly trying to duplicate D&D within GURPs. I suppose what I meant was that there are certain things which D&D portrays differently than GURPs does. Kobolds are one readily apparent example. GURPs portrays kobolds as being some sort of short, stumpy, and mentally slow humans from what I gather. D&D portrays kobolds as being small halfling sized reptilians who may or may not have draconic ancestry (some of them claim to.) They're mainly an annoyance, but underestimating them can be deadly. Likewise, goblins seem to be portrayed much differently. I know that as a GM I'm free to build my world any way that I want, and I need not follow the preset ideals of either D&D or GURPs or any other setting, but I think that if I keep at least some similar concepts that it will be less of an adjustment for some of my friends. D&D kobold I was finally able to get the GURPs lite pdf. For a few days I was having trouble getting it to download, but it finally worked. I think I might run through a few encounters with those rules and see how things go. One thing I'm confused about is how it's considered a disadvantage for a PC to have racial intolerance toward someone. I understand that ideally, as the DM, I'm supposed to enforce those such things, but I'd prefer that a player roleplay their character as they see fit and not be forced to have their character act a certain way simply because I say they are required to act that way. When it comes to things such as greed, bloodlust, and lecherousness I can somewhat understand, and I don't have a problem enforcing those, but I think I would feel uncomfortable telling a dwarf pc that he's not allowed to be friends with an elf pc or that he's required to react in a negative way toward elves (for an example.) When creating a race I would be sure to have information available which discusses that race's outlook on things, but I'd prefer that the player roleplay those things willingly and not be forced to do so. If the player roleplays their character differently then I would imagine they would have a reason for thinking differently than a typical member of their race. |
12-01-2008, 04:15 AM | #25 | ||
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As its a mental dissad, you can buy it at different levels(B120-121) all the way down to the quirk level. another option is to offset it with a different and appropriate dissad. For example Chummy or Xenophilia with the elves limiter. If you really think its out of line, make him buy an unusual background that explains his unusual favor towards the race. Finally, dont forget that animosity is normally a 2 way street and just because THIS dwarf likes elves doesnt mean THEY like him! Nymdok |
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12-01-2008, 05:11 AM | #26 | |
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2. Welcome to the forums. Please keep posting your questions. There is a really good group of people here who will try to answer your questions. (This even includes some of the authors of the books.) 3. When you start out, keep it simple. In fact, you might want to run a couple of "practice sessions" with very simple "throw-away" characters to get a feel for how things work, how dangerous combat is, etc. (If these early characters survive and players like them, they can always be used as the foundation for more fleshed out characters.) If you and your whole group is learning GURPS at the same time, you want to start slow. One of the things I like about GURPS is that it is enormously flexible and robust; it will let you create almost any kind of character and campaign you can imagine, but it's also easy to get lost in all those options. 4. Practice. Even when your players aren't around, play around with the system. Build sample characters. Do a few practice runs of using powers or combat between NPCs and try out different options. 5. Remember that actual gameplay in GURPS is usually VERY simple. Usually, roll low to do something well; roll high to hurt something badly after you hit it. That's about all you have to remember most of the time. I hope this helps. Mark |
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12-01-2008, 08:14 AM | #27 | |
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In practice, it works something like this: Say a character has intolerance against elves. In the course of play, he runs into some and has an entirely friendly interaction with them. After the game, when you're handing out points to reward the players for good roleplaying, you give him fewer points, noting that he didn't play his disadvantages. He can play his character as he wants to without direct interference from you, but because he's not playing according to what he set out on his character sheet, he's eventually docked for doing so. Think of it as not getting XP for a character acting contrary to his alignment.
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12-01-2008, 08:18 AM | #28 | |
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GURPS character creation overall is much more a negotiation between player and GM than D&D character creation. Just because rules exist for me to be a three-armed, telepathic, blind, mute, extraterrestrial were-ocelot does not mean I'm allowed to be. If you're not comfortable with racially intolerant PCs in your game, you can forbid them (or at least give no points for the disadvantage). I often tell players, "No, you can't have that disadvantage, but if you really must you can take a related Quirk." Or forbid advantages – I very seldom allow Serendipity for example, because I find it to be too much work for me as GM.
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12-01-2008, 09:27 AM | #29 |
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Re: New to GURPs; not sure where to start
I guess the racial intolerance quirk makes more sense now that I've read some of your explanations for it. The player is getting points for having it; that's reason why the GM (I'm so used to typing and saying DM that GM feels weird) is enforcing it.
I think that after looking at the GURPs rules that I might be better of trying to start out with a modern campaign instead of a fantasy one. The reason I think that is because I feel that it might be easier to learn the rules if the things that are available in game are things which are more familiar to me (i.e. guns, ammo, cars, etc.) I don't feel that I know the GURPs rules well enough to fully realize the vision of my fantasy world. On the note of a modern campaign: I think what I have in mind is a pre-apocolypse campaign. What I mean is that it would take place prior to and during the earth shattering event which most post-apocolyptic campaigns take place after. One idea I have involves what would happen if for some reason the US Government broke down (or something similar) and a state of semi-anarchy broke out. By "semi-anarchy" I mean that there would still be a vague sense of government authorities such as police and perhaps some military, but they wouldn't have the control that they would in normal circumstances. The campaign would involve my friends playing idealized versions of themselves and trying to survive in a world gone mad. Basically the idea behind the campaign would be to figure out a way to justify them having guns, ammo, and various other things without having to always worry about the law and the legal ramifications that doing certain actions would have in real life. |
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