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Break action double barrelled sawn off shotguns? Revolvers?
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04-30-2020, 05:21 AM | #12 | |
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Given my OP is driven by my envisaged game setting, I've already sketched out camel riding desert Aborigines, armed with faux Jezzails.
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04-30-2020, 05:37 AM | #13 | |
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But I don't have experience in using auto or semi-auto weapons, and I've never had to lug a long arm over hill and dale. So, can you clarify, add detail? Happy if we discuss Plevna etc. Also, would a large calibre long barrelled percussion cap revolver feed carbine suffice?
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04-30-2020, 12:47 PM | #14 | |
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Now, there's also a cultural element here: in the states, ammunition is plentiful. It's so plentiful that my momma(who doesn't have ANY guns) has several boxes of 12ga 00 buck and slug. Where'd it come from? None of us know? I've got a .40 S&W cartridge sitting a foot to the left of me as I type this, and I found it on the road by my driveway. There's just SOOOOO much of it, and so much of the equipment associated with it, that I can't imagine a plausible apocalyptic scenario where cartridges would be exceptionally rare. This of course, may not apply to Oz. Percussion caps just seem to combine the worst parts of muzzle-loading and cartridges: they're fiddly, you have a lot of steps to get the rifle ready, and they're a logistical complication. And I feel like, if you can make percussion caps, you can make primers for cartridges.
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04-30-2020, 01:08 PM | #15 |
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I think level of industry is pretty important here. A dedicated warlord might be able to get a percussion cap pistol made in a few months if he cracks the whip on a gunsmith, or he could make a few dozen cheap matchlock blunderbusses or a hundred good quality crossbows. If he has a worshop with good tools and maybe even electrical power he could crank out dozens of pistols in that time. Presumedly he's god a lot of guys to arm.
I think percussion cap revolver is the dream gun. It can be made without precision machining, provides good firepower, simple to load and care for. |
04-30-2020, 02:15 PM | #16 |
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Percussion caps require the ability to produce primer. Flintlocks do not.
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04-30-2020, 03:06 PM | #17 | |
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Anyway, with the smoke produced by mass fire of black powder rifles, you are quickly going to obscure your own view. Lastly, to prevent the wastage of cartridge, I see the reintroduction of magazine cutoffs for troops. Kinda defeats the purpose of having a semi-automatic.
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04-30-2020, 03:09 PM | #18 |
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You could make improved rocketball ammo, although range and damage are poor. However, you don't need cartridge cases and the round is self contained. Or perhaps a Chassepot clone, using paper cartridges.
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04-30-2020, 03:30 PM | #19 |
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Making a percussion cap requires primers, so if you can make percussion caps at all you might as well make brass cartridge ammunition.
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04-30-2020, 04:31 PM | #20 | |
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The complaints about ammunition usage among the soldiers seem to have been a common hold-up of western militaries in adopting repeating rifles of any sort, and this held up well into WW2, with self-loading rifles being required to still work as bolt guns. During WW1, European nations resisted equipping their troops with trench magazines, because of fears of "wasting" ammunition. Which is ironic, considering some of these nations practiced the "mad minute". The strength of the semi-automatic is not that you always shoot it as fast as you can, it's that when needed, you have that capability. A lever action is similar in this regard, though internal magazines are slower to reload than detachable box magazines. However, the M1 garand is a great example of a semi-auto that doesn't have a detachable box magazine(as is the SKS), so you're not exactly wedded to that part of the design. Lastly, I'm assuming that in the after-math of an apocalypse that destroys state authority and throws industrial capability so far back that people are building their own guns out of scrap, that standing armies of thousands or tens of thousands are not really a concern. I'm instead assuming that most "battles" will be more like skirmishes, and less like set piece conflicts between great powers. And in that scenario, the increased short term firepower of a repeater is going to be the difference between staying mostly alive and being raped, dismembered and eaten, and not necessarily in that order. Now, this is all dependent on cultural factors of the area the campaign takes place in.
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