Starvation and the Supernaturally Durable

[Facial Tentacles]

I suppose it's all in how you interpret what is an attack that the character is vulnerable to, but would you say a character with SD can starve to death?

[JCurwen3]

Originally Posted by Facial Tentacles

I suppose it's all in how you interpret what is an attack that the character is vulnerable to, but would you say a character with SD can starve to death?

They're not immune to starvation according to the text. So I'd say starvation would weaken them, chipping away at their FP and then HP like it would normal characters, except that the only effect will be that at 0 HP they "are at half Move, and can be crippled". Only if Starvation is their specific vulnerability (or have a Vulnerability to) will they ever starve to death though.

[Sunrunners_Fire]

Originally Posted by JCurwen3

They're not immune to starvation according to the text. So I'd say starvation would weaken them, chipping away at their FP and then HP like it would normal characters, except that the only effect will be that at 0 HP they "are at half Move, and can be crippled". Only if Starvation is their specific vulnerability (or have a Vulnerability to) will they ever starve to death though.

This. It won't ever kill them absent some other trait or limitation, but they aren't immune to it.

[Facial Tentacles]

Okay, so I need to come up with a special SD limitation. I can't picture a SD vampire or werewolf not needing to eat.

[Sunrunners_Fire]

Originally Posted by Facial Tentacles

Okay, so I need to come up with a special SD limitation. I can't picture a SD vampire or werewolf not needing to eat.

They do need to eat. They just don't die if they don't eat.

If you must, slap "Vulnerability: Starvation (Very Common) (Wounding Multiplier x1) [-20]" as a disadvantage on the template and let Supernatural Durability's interaction with Vulnerability solve the 'problem' for you. Stack multiple Vulnerability disadvantages as you feel appropriate. Do be aware that if you stack enough of them, Supernatural Durability is effectively free ... because all the template disadvantages would cover its' cost many times over.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Facial Tentacles

Okay, so I need to come up with a special SD limitation. I can't picture a SD vampire or werewolf not needing to eat.

In fact it is extremely rare for vampires to be capable of starving to death. The imprisoned vampires of Vampire Diaries spent a hundred and forty miserable years as shriveled up husks who couldn't die and a lot of vampire movies start with someone releasing Sealed Evil In A Can that must then feed.

[JCurwen3]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

In fact it is extremely rare for vampires to be capable of starving to death. The imprisoned vampires of Vampire Diaries spent a hundred and forty miserable years as shriveled up husks who couldn't die and a lot of vampire movies start with someone releasing Sealed Evil In A Can that must then feed.

Very true. Angel (on Angel, from the Buffyverse) spent months under the sea trapped and blood-starved. It's implied the same is true for True Blood vampires.

In anime, the Blood+ chiropterans (not traditional vampires, bust still) just go into hibernation with it and need it later in order to wake up. Almost no vampire fiction involves them starving to death. In fact, even when it suggests they would starve to death, it really only shows them feeling the pain of starvation (but almost never leading to death).

The last piece of fiction I remember that strongly suggested (with no real death occurring) that a vampire could starve to death was a soap called Port Charles (spin-off of General Hospital) where some characters were infected by a vampire. But again, no vampiric deaths as a result, only pain and weakness (with the viewer left to interpret whether death would eventually occur or just coma).

[vitruvian]

Originally Posted by Sunrunners_Fire

This. It won't ever kill them absent some other trait or limitation, but they aren't immune to it.

Of course, that means that starve them long enough, and without Regeneration they'll essentially never heal from it even if you give them four-course meals for days, since there's no lower limit to how far negative their HP can go.

And all that time, 1 HP worth of injury from their vulnerability will do them in.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by vitruvian

Of course, that means that starve them long enough, and without Regeneration they'll essentially never heal from it even if you give them four-course meals for days, since there's no lower limit to how far negative their HP can go.

And all that time, 1 HP worth of injury from their vulnerability will do them in.

There should probably be a lower bound, between -5x and -10xHP.

[vitruvian]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

There should probably be a lower bound, between -5x and -10xHP.

Having such a lower bound seems worth a pretty big enhancement, because it reduces the ways in which characters with SD can be messed up.