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Old 07-24-2021, 03:41 AM   #11
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Default Re: How to Price Traits you Give to a Possessed Host

Thinking about this, I don't believe Affliction is the proper way to treat it. If we're talking about actual Possession, where you control the host's actions, it doesn't seem that you're really giving the host the ability to do anything. You can use the abilities; the host can't use them, because they have no choice in how they're used. I'd call these abilities that you have, with an Accessibility modifier.

In fact, I'd call it "Only in altered body form (Invisible, Insubstantial, etc.): -10%." It's at your discretion to possess a host, just as it's at your discretion to become insubstantial. Though I suppose that if you want to make hosts difficult to find, it could be -30%, comparable to only while flying or only while swimming.

Now, if the host can exercise volitional control over the abilities, this is comparable to an Ally giving Special Abilities, and if you ARE the Ally, you would just buy it that way: the host takes the abilities with -40% Accessibility for Granted by familiar, and also takes a Special Abilities modifier on your point cost, +50%. If you can't use the abilities yourself, but can only grant them to a host, I'm not sure you should pay any point cost for that.
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Old 07-24-2021, 03:48 AM   #12
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Default Re: How to Price Traits you Give to a Possessed Host

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Trouble finding it but in a Pyramid issue there was a modifer to Possession that did this, I think it was the same % as Affliction.

Ok, found it with help from Discord! Possession's Under Control, Pyramid #3/81 see Transformative modifier, p. 30
It amount to buying the trait twice, at least with additives modifier, since Possession base price is [100].
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Old 07-27-2021, 11:40 AM   #13
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I don't believe Affliction is the proper way to treat it. If we're talking about actual Possession, where you control the host's actions, it doesn't seem that you're really giving the host the ability to do anything. You can use the abilities; the host can't use them
That's how bestowing Advantage via Affliction works in Basic Set (ie the Afflicter chooses where you Warp, not the Afflicted) until they introduced the "Beneficial Afflictions" variant in Powers where the target gets control but you have to invert the resistance roll into a success roll (ie roll over HT not under to get the trait)

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I'd call these abilities that you have, with an Accessibility modifier.
ie how F53/H72/H73 does it

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In fact, I'd call it "Only in altered body form (Invisible, Insubstantial, etc.): -10%." It's at your discretion to possess a host, just as it's at your discretion to become insubstantial. Though I suppose that if you want to make hosts difficult to find, it could be -30%, comparable to only while flying or only while swimming.
A distinction particularly important with Parasitic or Spiritual is when an advantage could still apply to your original body.

DR2 (only while using Possession -10%) [9] for example should give your spirit body (riding along inside your victim) +1 DR but not protect your human.... but you don't get this DR when you're not inside a victim.

DR2 (only on possessed human -30%) [7] otoh would protect the human body but not you.

In many cases (for attacks which affect both substantial and insubstantial) DR protecting your human WILL protect you (they count as cover DR) but that's not the case for insubstantial-only attacks which completely ignore your meat suit as cover.

In terms of how they got to the -30% pricing they might've just made it up, but when I think about how to possibly duplicate it using other stuff... wouldn't it basically be this?
"Affects Others" +50% (can spend a Ready to share your advantage with a single ally you are touching)
"Reduced Time" +20% (Ready is free action)
"Doesn't Affect Me" -100%"
The last one I think I saw in one of the approaches to DR that was desired purely for Absorbtion or Reflection.
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