Fit Advantage and HT-based rolls

[Celjabba]

Originally Posted by Plane

In a way it sort-of is since failing a Knockdown roll by 5 can knock you unconscious, so it is in a way a roll to stay conscious.

No, I mean that in DFRPG, Knockdown was added to the fit advantage description, before the etc.

Originally Posted by DFRPG

You get +1 to all HT rolls (to avoid knockdown, unconsciousness, or death, to resist disease, poison, or magic, etc.).

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Originally Posted by Basic

You get +1 to all HT rolls (to stay conscious, avoid death, resist disease, or poison, etc.).

[vicky_molokh]

This thing seems to be way older than DF:

Originally Posted by FAQ

The Fit advantage provides a +1 to all HT rolls (including rolls to avoid stunning, unconsciousness, or death) and double-speed recovery of fatigue. It can not speed the recovery of fatigue spent casting spells or powering psionics; this includes the 1 point non-mage spectators can contribute to ceremonial magic (p. M15). It does not contribute to a character's Move or Dodge, and it does not provide any bonus to HT-based skills such as Singing, Running, or Sex Appeal. It also does not aid recovery time from stunners, paralysis guns, drugs, or other effects that measure time in the form of X-minus-HT.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Celjabba

It doesn't help with HT-based skills roll.

Inversely, I do include it with HT based skill rolls where the roll is to avoid FP or HP loss due to being 'fit or healthy".

Originally Posted by Boge

Considering you can increase your HT for only 2 points (by not increasing FP or Basic Speed), yeah, Fit should count for all HT rolls.

Only if your GM allows these shenanigans.

[Rupert]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

Inversely, I do include it with HT based skill rolls where the roll is to avoid FP or HP loss due to being 'fit or healthy".

I don't, and won't - that component of Fit and Very Fit is the faster recovery of FP and in the case of Very Fit the slower loss of FP.

[Plane]

One thing I just noticed but wouldn't have thought of, is B444 specifies that fit/VF and unfit/VUF both affect aging rolls, and Luck can't.

If you knew when someone had to make an aging roll and could temporarily make them Very Fit that would be super-useful!

Then again, so would afflicting any sort of temporary HT roll for such a long-important roll.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Rupert

I don't, and won't - that component of Fit and Very Fit is the faster recovery of FP and in the case of Very Fit the slower loss of FP.

And yet Fit/Very Fit adds to HT rolls to resist FP loss. Funny how that works.

[Anthony]

Honestly, Fit/Very Fit probably shouldn't exist, just buy higher HT to represent being fit.

[Andreas]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Honestly, Fit/Very Fit probably shouldn't exist, just buy higher HT to represent being fit.

There is a huge difference in endurance between people. Just representing it with HT would give many people who exercise extensively way higher resistance to disease etc. than they should have. Perhaps if you also had various limited forms of HT.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Andreas

There is a huge difference in endurance between people.

HT or skill rolls to avoid losing fatigue result in huge differences (far larger than the specific fatigue effects of Fit/Very Fit. though in some cases F/VF adds to the roll), and if the goal is just changes to how you handle fatigue, it should be an advantage that does that and only that.

Originally Posted by Andreas

Just representing it with HT would give many people who exercise extensively way higher resistance to disease etc. than they should have.

Fit/Very Fit already does that.

[Andreas]

Originally Posted by Anthony

HT or skill rolls to avoid losing fatigue result in huge differences (far larger than the specific fatigue effects of Fit/Very Fit. though in some cases F/VF adds to the roll), and if the goal is just changes to how you handle fatigue, it should be an advantage that does that and only that.

Fit/Very Fit already does that.

Sure, having a separate advantage for that would work as well. Or you could just introduce a "no bonus to HT rolls" limitation for Fit.

Not as much as if you instead represented it only with increased HT.