Weird Power Concept

[Mark Skarr]

Looking for a reality check from the forum goons (said will all due reverence).

Banish: Affliction 1--79 pts
-Advantage: Jumper (World; Cannot Escort -10%; Interplanar -0%; Limited Access (Only to plane of origin; -25%); Accessability (Demons only) -30%; Magical -10%)
-Malediciton (Long-Distance Modifiers; +200%)
-Extended Duration (Permanant with Dispelling Conditions; +150%; Condition: 1 year)
-Reliable +10 (+50%)
-Cosmic (Victim spends all costs related to Jumper; +50%)
-Magical -10%

The GM gave me the value of Limited Access and Accessability specific for their game. And, while cheesy, the GM does allow the use of Reliable to boost effectivness of Afflictions. My question is does this hold up to my goal.
My goal is a power that will banish a demon back to where they came from and keep them there for one year? If they try to leave, the power drags them, kicking and screaming, back to their home plane. The power can't send them anywhere else, just back to where they came from, and it makes them spend all related FP to use the Jumper "advantage."
Should Jumper have "Always On?"

[nanoboy]

The Jumper Advantage should also have Uncontrollable so that the demon can't choose whether or not to volunteer.

[Mark Skarr]

Oh! Very good call. Thank you, Nanoboy.

Updated:
Banish: Affliction 1--74 pts
-Advantage: Jumper (World; Cannot Escort -10%; Interplanar -0%; Limited Access (Only to plane of origin; -25%); Accessability (Demons only) -30%; Uncontrollable -10%; Magical -10%)
-Malediciton (Long-Distance Modifiers; +200%)
-Extended Duration (Permanant with Dispelling Conditions; +150%; Condition: 1 year)
-Reliable +10 (+50%)
-Cosmic (Victim spends all costs related to Jumper; +50%)
-Magical -10%

[transmetahuman]

Shouldn't the Demons Only accessibility be on the power as a whole, not just the Jumper part? I realize that makes the whole thing more expensive, sorry...
And you don't need Unconscious when it's part of an Affliction, any more than you would on a shrinking ray; inflicting the advantage on the unwilling is what an Affliction is all about.

[transmetahuman]

And, finally, I don't think you can use Extended Duration that way. When you use Affliction to inflict an instantaneous effect like Jumper, I'd consider it to become instant itself. I know what you're trying to do, there... hmmm.

Maybe Extended Duration + Unconscious Only (+ Uncontrollable, which you need if you have UO) is the way to go, after all. I was thinking in terms of the way you use Affliction: Warp to exoteleport someone - it doesn't give the victim the ability to Warp on his own for the next minute or so, it just works once. But to get the year-long thing you're going for, you'd need to put a godawful huge Cyclic enhancement on the Affliction... I think I'd let you do it your way if I was the GM. Maybe insist on another Terminal Condition besides just "wait one year".

[Mark Skarr]

Maybe put Persistent on it?

I think the unconscious only is a good idea, because, for one year, they're stuck there. If they jump out, they get shunted back. If you got hit with a shrink ray, and someone hit you with a growth ray, you'd grow back. But if it were both persistent and unconscious, you'd shrink back as soon as the growth was finished, and when it's duration ended, you'd go back to minimum.

Updated:
Banish: Affliction 1--78 pts
-Advantage: Jumper (World; Cannot Escort -10%; Interplanar -0%; Limited Access (Only to plane of origin; -25%); Accessability (Demons only) -30%; Uncontrollable -10%; Magical -10%)
-Malediciton (Long-Distance Modifiers; +200%)
-Persistent +40%
-Extended Duration (Permanant with Dispelling Conditions; +150%; Condition: 1 year)
-Reliable +10 (+50%)
-Cosmic (Victim spends all costs related to Jumper; +50%)
-Magical -10%

Also, the built-in dispell condition is the 1-year. There are other ways to get rid of it. They are demons, after all, I figure they've got contacts.

[SCHIFTY]

Why is Magical -10% appearing twice?

[naloth]

Originally Posted by Mark Skarr

Oh! Very good call. Thank you, Nanoboy.

Updated:
Banish: Affliction 1--74 pts
-Advantage: Jumper (World; Cannot Escort -10%; Interplanar -0%; Limited Access (Only to plane of origin; -25%); Accessability (Demons only) -30%; Uncontrollable -10%; Magical -10%)
-Malediciton (Long-Distance Modifiers; +200%)
-Extended Duration (Permanant with Dispelling Conditions; +150%; Condition: 1 year)
-Reliable +10 (+50%)
-Cosmic (Victim spends all costs related to Jumper; +50%)
-Magical -10%

Jumper shouldn't have Acc (Demons). That belongs on the Afflication since you're giving the advantage to them. You can't take "only affects people like me" for points back on an advantage. Likewise, Unconsious and Uncontrollable would affect your ability to trigger it since you're in control of the advantage even though it's on another person. Magic (-10%) seems like double dipping.

Jumper typically isn't a duration power (the obvious exception being projection to another plane leaving your body behind) so you don't need to extend the duration. He's home until he's able to portal back (be summoned?) again. The only reason I would include duration as a minimum amount of time the target needs to spend in that place.

[transmetahuman]

Originally Posted by Mark Skarr

Maybe put Persistent on it?

I think the unconscious only is a good idea, because, for one year, they're stuck there. If they jump out, they get shunted back. If you got hit with a shrink ray, and someone hit you with a growth ray, you'd grow back. But if it were both persistent and unconscious, you'd shrink back as soon as the growth was finished, and when it's duration ended, you'd go back to minimum.

Updated:
Banish: Affliction 1--78 pts
-Advantage: Jumper (World; Cannot Escort -10%; Interplanar -0%; Limited Access (Only to plane of origin; -25%); Accessability (Demons only) -30%; Uncontrollable -10%; Magical -10%)
-Malediciton (Long-Distance Modifiers; +200%)
-Persistent +40%
-Extended Duration (Permanant with Dispelling Conditions; +150%; Condition: 1 year)
-Reliable +10 (+50%)
-Cosmic (Victim spends all costs related to Jumper; +50%)
-Magical -10%

Also, the built-in dispell condition is the 1-year. There are other ways to get rid of it. They are demons, after all, I figure they've got contacts.

Persistent is only legal for area effect attacks; it's not really appropriate (nor, once I figured out what you were doing, necessary imo). The Accessibility really needs to be on the Affliction, not the Jumper - same with Magical. You can't use thhat twice. You do want *both* Unconscious Only and Uncontrollable, though, so that saves you points.

I'd rather see this done as Affliction: Jumper (instant) linked to a separate Affliction: negated advantage, jumper (one year). I know you don't want the demon to be able to come back even with outside help, but making an Affliction: jumper into a non-instant ability just bugs me. Bugs me enough that (if I were your GM) I'd let you have that part as a special effect of the negated advantage affliction, rather than see you use this construction or making you use the ridiculously expensive Cyclic.

[MrTim]

Originally Posted by Mark Skarr

I think the unconscious only is a good idea, because, for one year, they're stuck there. If they jump out, they get shunted back. If you got hit with a shrink ray, and someone hit you with a growth ray, you'd grow back. But if it were both persistent and unconscious, you'd shrink back as soon as the growth was finished, and when it's duration ended, you'd go back to minimum.

Yes, but if that's the effect you're going for, Unconscious should make the Affliction more expensive, not less. Negated Advantage (Jumper), or maybe a modified form of Static (either single-power or a 0% limitation to make it for the single ability, regardless of power source), would be the way to go, I think.