06-26-2022, 03:50 PM | #21 |
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Re: Ideas:'Revolutionary' late 2030s Handgun for Black Ops/Horror/lite Sci-Fi setting
It might very well mean impossible. Just because I can theoretically acquire illegal weapons in real life that would be LC1 in GURPS doesn't mean I can always buy LC1 weapons in any campaign I play. Hence why I gave different suggestions for different LCs, since we don't actually know what limits the players are facing.
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06-26-2022, 07:38 PM | #22 | |
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If you're a criminal thou, you can get even bazookas and grenades... And sometimes even anti helicopter missiles (no, Im not joking, that has been taken from gangs here). But not even a handgun pistol legally. |
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06-26-2022, 07:41 PM | #23 | |
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06-26-2022, 08:38 PM | #24 |
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Re: Ideas:'Revolutionary' late 2030s Handgun for Black Ops/Horror/lite Sci-Fi setting
However, it must be legal to export Brazillian-made guns to the US. All those Taurus models have to come from somewhere.
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06-27-2022, 05:23 AM | #25 |
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Re: Ideas:'Revolutionary' late 2030s Handgun for Black Ops/Horror/lite Sci-Fi setting
Firearm propellents contain their own oxidizer, so they work okay without atmospheric oxygen. In a vacuum, lubricantion and heat dissipation are the problems.
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06-27-2022, 09:19 AM | #26 |
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Re: Ideas:'Revolutionary' late 2030s Handgun for Black Ops/Horror/lite Sci-Fi setting
In the WWI weapon thread (over in Roleplaying in General), one thing I mentioned as a possibility was a handgun firing rifle-caliber bullets. One problem there was that it would have to be a revolver, because you can't fit a rifle magazine into a grip that is comfortable to a human. But propellant
In terms of projectile, it's really tough to beat APHEX (Armor Piercing High EXplosive). It's armor-piercing, letting you get through a monster's tough hide or a vampire wearing concealable body armor, but also explosive, so it still produces a massive wound channel. Arguably, while I don't think it functions like this in GURPS, it should improve Pi-class by one step (like HP/Frangible) in addition to the internal explosion. I'm not sure if modern APHEX will reliably explode when used against soft targets, however, but maybe that's a non-issue by the time period of the campaign. You'll probably need a wide caliber, so ammunition capacity will likely be low. You can also sacrifice some of the explosive payload to have some sort of "poison" that is particularly effective against your target, at least so long as being inside an explosive won't ruin it (silver is probably fine; wolfsbane may end up too "cooked" from the explosion to be effective). If you really want balls-to-the-walls ridiculous and have access to either LP or electromagnetic acceleration*, you could have one weapon system that can serve as both a handgun and a rifle. You start with a handgun, with both the bullets and the "propellant" - either the binary fluid explosive for LP, or the power cell for EM - in a magazine that slots up into the grip, using the weapon at a low velocity setting. When you instead need a rifle, you slap on a stock and attach a barrel extender, and crank up the velocity to full. Either the stock or barrel extender (or both!*) should also have a place on it for a propellant bottle or a larger power cell (and in the latter case, the extender would have built-in accelerators), and be able to feed to the weapon so it has enough power to do its thing (using rifle-powered shots will use up the propellant in the magazine rather quickly). By necessity, the pistol portion at least would weigh more than a typical pistol of its size and power (because it needs to be sturdy enough to withstand use at rifle power), and the whole rifle probably would weigh more than a typical rifle of its size and power (being modular isn't without drawbacks), but only needing one type of ammunition for both - and being able to switch things up with different length extensions, so you can basically have a pistol that becomes an SMG when you add a stock, which becomes a carbine with one barrel extender, which becomes a full-sized rifle with another barrel extender (either a different one, or perhaps two connected together) - seems like it could potentially be rather useful. Realistically, you'd need to re-zero the weapon once you put those extenders on, but if you're in a setting that's cinematic enough you could just slap a scope on and use it without needing to zero it first, that shouldn't be an issue (you might also simply claim that improved precision in craftsmanship makes it work fine). *Or neither - maybe it would work best to just have the port for an extra propellant bottle/power cell be part of the pistol base, immediately in front of the trigger guard.
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06-27-2022, 09:40 AM | #27 |
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Re: Ideas:'Revolutionary' late 2030s Handgun for Black Ops/Horror/lite Sci-Fi setting
There is at least one of the shelf pistol firing 7,62 NATO, but it has a really small mag. I think it was a Automag or so.
Of course you can custom make a handgun for nearly any ammo, with the risk of a broken wrist. A one shot handgun is quite easy to make. |
06-27-2022, 09:55 AM | #28 | |
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For one that 7.62 x 51mm cartridge is far longer than any pistol round. A long pistol case kis soemthing like 25mm. There have been semi-auto pistols made for the.357 Magnum (33mm i think) but their grips were odd-looking and unpopular. You could make something that might be a pistol under US law (the current adminstration seems to have a different opinion than their predecessors) but it's really just the middle of an AR-style rifle with no shoulder stock and a short barrel. Very bulky and the magazine has to be in front of the trigger.
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06-27-2022, 10:08 AM | #29 |
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06-27-2022, 10:31 AM | #30 | |
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That's a single-shot weapon, which I don't think will work well as a sidearm. Needing to be a revolver is a limitation because it means the weapon can't hold as many shots and is slower to reload than a semi-automatic pistol; a single shot weapon is even worse.
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