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Old 01-08-2021, 06:56 AM   #1
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Neutralizing Poison
Make a roll at a penalty equal to the penalty to the resistance roll against the poison (-10 if the poison can’t be resisted). Pay 2 FP for each die damage the poison can do if all resistance rolls fail.

Example: Deathcap mushroom has a HT-2 roll to resist and does 2d toxic damage for two cycles at three-hour intervals, or a total of 4d damage. Treating Deathcap mushroom poisoning requires a roll at -2 and costs 8 FP.

This is a Cosmic enhancement (+50%) if you can do it and heal other kinds of injury. If you can only heal poison, that’s a -40% limitation instead.

Talked with Christoper about this - he suggested the cost should be based on the HT penalty instead. What does the hive mind think?
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Old 01-08-2021, 10:07 AM   #2
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I think I'm with Christopher on that one.
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Old 01-08-2021, 10:13 AM   #3
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Hmm... Chris has good instincts, but it seems more natural to me to base the cost off the damage.

[Edit] I skimmed through the OP and completely missed the mention of Cycles *doi*. Yeah, that part shouldn't figure in IMO. The concept of Neutralize Poison seems to be stopping it before it damages you, so just stopping the next cycle should do the trick.

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Old 01-08-2021, 10:32 AM   #4
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Same, I would go with Christopher suggestion.

Going with a cost linked to the HT penalty would also account for poison that drain fp or inflict affliction status (pain, paralysis, choking, ... )

Also, linking the cost to dice of damage lead to excessive cost for weak poison with a lot of cycles, especially if they are easy to resist.
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Old 01-08-2021, 10:43 AM   #5
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Also, linking the cost to dice of damage lead to excessive cost for weak poison with a lot of cycles, especially if they are easy to resist.
That's fair. Neutralizing belladonna (28 cycles with 1d damage) would be prohibitively expensive with my pricing. I'll wait for some more opinions and then make my decision.
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Old 01-08-2021, 11:02 AM   #6
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Disease is no less likely to be injurious than poison – check the rules for both and you'll see that the biggest difference (aside from which form of Resistant helps) is that disease is usually slower. Since disease uses HT penalty, not injury, to determine the skill penalties and FP costs for Healing, I'd do the same for poison. That way you won't run into weirdness when your disease could as easily be a poison. Indeed, I'd follow this model for all metabolic hazards.
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Old 01-08-2021, 12:30 PM   #7
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Disease is no less likely to be injurious than poison – check the rules for both and you'll see that the biggest difference (aside from which form of Resistant helps) is that disease is usually slower. Since disease uses HT penalty, not injury, to determine the skill penalties and FP costs for Healing, I'd do the same for poison. That way you won't run into weirdness when your disease could as easily be a poison. Indeed, I'd follow this model for all metabolic hazards.
<thinks a bit> That does have the benefit of simplicity. Maybe i would put a lower bound on the FP cost using the greater of the two. Using *just* the HT-based modifier, you might want to follow the model for curing disease and make the cost twice the penalty.
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Old 01-08-2021, 12:37 PM   #8
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<thinks a bit> That does have the benefit of simplicity. Maybe i would put a lower bound on the FP cost using the greater of the two. Using *just* the HT-based modifier, you might want to follow the model for curing disease and make the cost twice the penalty.
Yeah. I've not seen poisons worse than HT-4, and 4 FP seems a little low.
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:33 PM   #9
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if we broke down damaging diseases and poisons into Toxic Attack (sometimes Resistible) then maybe the old rules could just be replaced with what you'd use to counteract those components?

in terms of preventing Cyclic it sounds like you'd just have a "Delay" enhancement on the healing so you're laying healing-charges against damage scheduled to occur

other aspects could be either Link+10% Afflictions or Side Effect / Symptoms
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Old 01-09-2021, 03:54 AM   #10
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So what do we do when there are different resistance rolls? Belladonna, for instance, has no resistance for the first cycle and HT-2 for the other 28 cycles. So what resistance roll should we use? The first? The worst? The mode?
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