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[TGLS]

Originally Posted by malloyd

The British public might even warm to him as a victim of those obviously far worse treacherous bastards who deposed him and then betrayed the alliance.

Well that's kind of skipping over the February Revolution to the October Revolution and kind of treating the two as identical, but...

[Astromancer]

Originally Posted by malloyd

That sounds like a stretch. The Czar was after all an ally in the still ongoing war. The British public might even warm to him as a victim of those obviously far worse treacherous bastards who deposed him and then betrayed the alliance. And having him does provide advantages to the allied intervention in the Russian civil war, which is still necessary as long as World War I is ongoing. He might complicate it thereafter, but that's later.

At the time the Czar was immensely unpopular. Being murdered changed this. Executed royalty seems to be highly popular. Mary Queen of Scots, Marie Antoinette, Maximilian of Mexico, Czar Nicholas, all gained dramatically in popularity once they were dead.

[Prince Charon]

Originally Posted by Astromancer

At the time the Czar was immensely unpopular. Being murdered changed this. Executed royalty seems to be highly popular. Mary Queen of Scots, Marie Antoinette, Maximilian of Mexico, Czar Nicholas, all gained dramatically in popularity once they were dead.

It's much harder for dead people to make (and thus fail or critically fail) Public Speaking rolls, along with the human tendency to be reluctant to speak ill of the dead.

If the Czar had died but his wife and children (or just his children, or only some of them) escaped to Britain, traditional British prejudices would have the public very supportive of Anastasia et al, and even be forgiving of Alix of Hesse saying the wrong things in public for a while, because she's a woman mourning her husband. It would be harder for the American press and politicians to speak ill of them, without Nickie there to be a man they can blame. It could even be a PR boon, supporting widows and orphans being a popular 'generic good deed.' Probably wouldn't make the war end any faster, but it might cause more aid to be sent to the White Russians, as the Russian Civil War would most likely still be happening, just with the possibility of a safe Government-in-Exile over in London.

[dcarson]

How much wealth does Russia have outside of Russia. How much wealth does the royal family manage to flee with.

Japan and the Allies occupied the Pacific Maritime provinces of Russia. So while they couldn't hold the coastal part maybe they could possibly keep the half of Sakhalin Island that was Russian. In our history Japan who own the southern part held the northern half it until 1927 when they returned it. So a Russian Taiwan equivalent situation with the Royalists having the island? If the Allies support that what does that do to WW II with a fortified base right next to Japan.

[malloyd]

Originally Posted by dcarson

So a Russian Taiwan equivalent situation with the Royalists having the island? If the Allies support that what does that do to WW II with a fortified base right next to Japan.

Er, Guarantees the fall of Europe because the Czarists being part of the Allies, means the Soviet Union has to stay neutral, if not actually join the Axis?

Alternately, prevents it entirely since the world hasn't finished fighting World War I, Phase 2 yet? The Czarists cause being pretty conclusively dead is probably required for the Russian Revolution to be over. If they're still holding anything, their allies are still actively involved in holding off the Soviet Union (or whoever won the bulk of the Russian Revolution). In fact I think even the Czarist [win] their allies are probably stuck actively propping them up against ongoing democratic and communist revolts.

[cptbutton]

Originally Posted by Astromancer

Romanov-5
Centrum wants rid of the Romanovs. The British Empire has troubles enough. But where to send the Romanovs. Homeline loves how crazy the whole thing makes Centrum agents, terrified of a socialist revolution in Britain. The Cabal is likewise buying popcorn and watching the fun. Neither Homeline nor the Cabal will risk Centrum doing something stupid and violent.

Is Centrum planning to kill them, abduct them to some other country on the timeline, or just abduct them onto one of their own timelines for study or just because they'd rather not kill them if they don't have to?

How will the countries react if the Romanovs just tracelessly vanish one night? Who will be blamed? Where will they be searched for? Who if anyone would be next in line? How many pretenders show up?

[Astromancer]

Originally Posted by cptbutton

Is Centrum planning to kill them, abduct them to some other country on the timeline, or just abduct them onto one of their own timelines for study or just because they'd rather not kill them if they don't have to?

How will the countries react if the Romanovs just tracelessly vanish one night? Who will be blamed? Where will they be searched for? Who if anyone would be next in line? How many pretenders show up?

The sheer mass of Chaos possible, and in Imperial Britain no less, would probably rule out crude attacks. And the Romanovs tracelessly vanishing would focus the wrong kind of attention on Britain as well.

There are reasons the British never wanted the Czar or his family around.

[TGLS]

Originally Posted by cptbutton

Is Centrum planning to kill them, abduct them to some other country on the timeline, or just abduct them onto one of their own timelines for study or just because they'd rather not kill them if they don't have to?

The cleanest solution is probably to help the Whites win the Russian Civil War, so the British can ship them back to Russia (who will do whatever with them.). Second cleanest is probably to persuade the British to send them back to Russia after the Communists win.

[Astromancer]

Originally Posted by TGLS

The cleanest solution is probably to help the Whites win the Russian Civil War, so the British can ship them back to Russia (who will do whatever with them.). Second cleanest is probably to persuade the British to send them back to Russia after the Communists win.

No matter how much it might benefit the Brits to hand the Czar over to the Bolsheviks they simply wouldn't do it. I seem to have stumbled on a small change with massive implications.

[TGLS]

Originally Posted by Astromancer

No matter how much it might benefit the Brits to hand the Czar over to the Bolsheviks they simply wouldn't do it. I seem to have stumbled on a small change with massive implications.

I dunno; the British and French governments thought that the problem of the Tsar would be an uprising on arrival. I think there's a plausible chance that the British would send the Tsar back to the Russian Provisional Government (who might be facing accusations by their Soviet allies of letting the Tsar go, and would probably want him back). If he somehow escapes after the October Revolution, they could very well just dump him off in the Falklands. Retrieving the Tsar would likely be a priority of the Soviet government after the Civil war was concluded, and with normalization of relations being a goal of the British (who historically signed a trade agreement with the Soviets in the early 20s), they'd eventually agree to send the Tsar back to Russia. The problem is speeding this process up.