03-30-2011, 09:34 AM | #1 |
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Afflicting a Trait Non-Cumulatively
I'm unsure about what happens when you try to use an Affliction that gives an Advantage without the Cumulative enhancement to someone who already has that advantage.
First, let's start with the case of beneficial afflictions. If the advantage isn't levelled Cumulative wouldn't help anyway, and if it's exactly the same advantage, same modifiers and all, without Cumulative it wouldn't affect you because the levels won't add to your own if it was levelled. But what about the case of an advantage with different modifiers? Let's say you have ATR 1, unmodified. Then an ally wants to use their (non-Cumulative) Affliction with Malediction (so you can waive resistance) that gives someone ATR 1 with the enhancement Super-Speed (from p. P42) on you, to help give you a boost in speed for the duration. What happens? Assuming you don't resist, and the ally has a success, do you function as just plain old ATR 1 (your base power), or do you function as ATR 1 with Super-Speed for the duration? And what if he misunderstands or unintentionally misrepresents his "speed boost" power to you, and, in fact, it gives someone ATR 1 with the limitation Non-Combat Speed (same page)? It "works" on you, and then for the duration, do you function as though you had unmodified ATR 1, or as though you had ATR 1 but only out-of-combat (no additional maneuvers)? Now let's talk the more common malicious Afflictions. If you have Warp, and someone Afflicts Warp on you (to teleport you away), do your power and the afflicted power interact? Namely, would it even work at all? Or would it take away your power to control your own Warp for the duration (instead your teleportation is controlled by Teleport Jerk, the Afflicter)? Or would it give you more defense or resistance against the Affliction? Or is it like you have two Warps for the duration, one controlled by the afflicter, one controlled by you, so you could teleport back only to be teleported away again for the duration? Or what? Warp has an immediate in-game effect (to change your location) so it might not be the perfect example. I'll pick an advantage with a clearly defined purpose and an effect which is intrinsic to possessing it: Unaging. Let's say you have unmodified Unaging. One of your own kind has an Affliction that doesn't negate Unaging, but that Afflicts Unaging with the Life Extension limitation (Psionic Powers, p. 18) for Extended Duration: Permanent, which normally forces you to have to roll each year to see if you age or you don't. Of course you attempt to resist, but Inevitable-Death-Man wins the day and his Affliction "works" on you. What's your status now? Do you have your unmodified Unaging? Or do you have this weaker version for the (permanent unless you figure out a way around it) duration? Or will the fact that you already had Unaging give you some extra (or additional) resistance to the effect of the Affliction? I could pick other advantages with different modifier-combos to try to illustrate my rules confusion on this point, but I think the above examples suffice. I chose them as examples because they seemed expedient, but basically I'm more interested in the general way this should be handled regardless of the Afflicted trait, rather than those examples specifically (unless, of course, they represent special exceptions to the rules for some reason). Thanks in advance!
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03-30-2011, 09:55 AM | #2 | |
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03-30-2011, 10:44 AM | #4 | ||
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So then in my first example where the character is afflicted with ATR 1 and Super-Speed, he'd behave as if he had ATR 1 + ATR 1 (Super-Speed), and in the next he'd have ATR 1 + ATR 1 (Non-Combat Speed) for the duration. What if (I know it would be quite unusual) the Affliction was meant to be malicious, and the desired effect was to replace the much more powerful ATR 1 with ATR 1 (Non-Combat Speed)? Could an Affliction of ATR 1 (Non-Combat Speed) do that to someone with ATR 1? Or is the only way to do it with two linked Afflictions, one to Negate Advantage (ATR 1) and the other to give the limited version of ATR 1? But that doesn't answer quite as clearly what happens when it isn't a levelled trait. Quote:
And what about a passive power like Unaging? In that example, the character had unmodified Unaging, and then was maliciously afflicted with a more limited version that requires yearly anti-aging rolls to succeed. Are there any rules specifics (or semi-official rulings) to handle that, or is it just play it by ear and make rulings on a case-by-case basis by GM fiat? Would he be still be 100% Unaging or need to make those yearly checks?
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