01-30-2012, 05:57 PM | #1 |
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[Fantasy][Powers] Wendigo Possession in Unkillable Spirit Form?
I'm confused... really by the whole build of the Wendigo, but I'll start with my main issue, that of how its Unkillable 3 seems to be able to work.
The creature (on Fantasy, p. 53) has: Unkillable 3 (Reincarnation, -20%; Trigger: Only manifests physically after new host kills another human and eats his flesh, -12%)and: Possession (Only in Unkillable Spirit Form, -10%; Sense-Based, Hearing, -20%; Spiritual, -20%; Preparation Required, 8 hours, -30%)and: Mind Control (Symptoms: +10 ST, Unnatural Features: Gaunt, Glowing eyes, Long tongue, Matted hair, Sallow skin, +105%; Conditioning Only, -50%; Only victims of possession, -30%)The way it's all supposed to work is that the wendigo (in Unkillable spirit form, no less) actively howls in the wind, and a potential victim hears this, and then after 8 hours the victim gets their Quick Contest to avoid Possession. Then, the wendigo apparently is just inside the body, but has no control over it. It needs to use its Mind Control ability to make the victim eat human flesh, and then the wendigo possesses that victim, really the body becomes the wendigo's body with its exact original stats and appearance. Questions:
Can someone help me understand this build? Based on the wendigo's description I could have built it with the RAW, and not so seemingly mind-bendingly not-RAW. Am I missing anything? Yes, I know it's a monster, but giving it detailed stats and point costs (1) opens it up to being considered for a "PCs as monsters" game (and, IMO, this is not a rules legal build nor is balanced) and (2) provides a precedent for players to borrow bits and pieces from the established template for their own template and character ability suggestions.
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01-30-2012, 06:40 PM | #2 |
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Re: [Fantasy][Powers] Wendigo Possession in Unkillable Spirit Form?
Ill take a stab at it.
With Unkillable 3 you have the option to be a Spirit form so your aware and able to act but not physically until you heal. Mind Control is a power that is mental so can cross over. Possession should IMHO also but maybe they thought it wouldn't in this case for some reason. |
01-30-2012, 07:14 PM | #3 | ||
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Re: [Fantasy][Powers] Wendigo Possession in Unkillable Spirit Form?
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Imagine a build where someone took Unkillable 3, sold ST (and thus HP), and HT down to 1 each (whilst maybe buying up FP), got Unhealing, and spent loads of points in mental abilities, like TK, or Mind Control. Their goal: die quickly, never heal, and be in totally indestructible and untrappable telekinetic mind controlling ghost form forever. Game over. Hence, this is why it seems to me this build is highly rules-illegal (even nonsensical) and definitely heavily unbalanced.
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01-30-2012, 07:27 PM | #4 |
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Re: [Fantasy][Powers] Wendigo Possession in Unkillable Spirit Form?
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01-30-2012, 07:42 PM | #5 |
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Re: [Fantasy][Powers] Wendigo Possession in Unkillable Spirit Form?
There are obviously mistakes. The Hard to Kill was supposed to be for the possessed body, while the Unkillable only applies to the Wendigo spirit itself. Just chuck the build and move on.
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01-31-2012, 09:39 AM | #6 | |
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Re: [Fantasy][Powers] Wendigo Possession in Unkillable Spirit Form?
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01-31-2012, 02:23 PM | #7 | |
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I noticed a more rules-clear-and-legal version of the Wendigo in Horror. More how I would have done it.
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01-31-2012, 03:43 PM | #8 |
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Re: [Fantasy][Powers] Wendigo Possession in Unkillable Spirit Form?
Not if it's in a spirit form instead, by how the description reads to me. Looks like under that option full HP is when it rematerializes.
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01-31-2012, 04:40 PM | #9 |
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01-31-2012, 07:57 PM | #10 |
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Re: [Fantasy][Powers] Wendigo Possession in Unkillable Spirit Form?
That's a big part of my issue, because that's how I read it too... letting the thing float around in an incorporeal, untrappable, indestructible form, all the while able to observe people (very useful in and of itself) and use mental abilities (like Mind Control) should be worth a major enhancement to Unkillable 3, maybe even on the order of +300%, if there even is a fair value for what'd amount to total invulnerability to all damage whilst being able to affect the world around you. But there's no enhancement that would justify this for the build working so differently from the RAW (worse yet, it saves points on the Reincarnation limitation which isn't even a limitation because it seems to get the ability to transform its new possessed victim into an exact copy of its old form).
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