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I agree with you in one respect at least. It is exceedingly unlikely that what we experience as the continuity of consciousness (I am me, and persist from day to day as a single mind) could be transplanted from one brain/computer to another. Presumably, in THS people are not concerned about this form of continuity, instead placing value on the continuity of identity (my thoughts and personality persist in the world). Of course, from the perspective of the outside world, and the players and GM, the two are indistinguishable. Last edited by vierasmarius; 10-10-2014 at 08:20 PM. |
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10-10-2014, 09:47 PM | #23 |
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My main horror isn't whether I believe a copy is exactly the same as the original. It's that killing either is bad, but THS society doesn't consider death real if there is a copy in existence. That's the life is worthless horror for me.
And a feature that I don't consider necessary to include for it to stay a THS setting. The unrealistically optimistic genetic engineering and impossibly rapid terraforming of mars are intrinsic to the setting in my opinion.
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That's not the superstition I'm talking about. I'm talking about stuff like computer-literate AIs mistrusting of TL10 error-correction algorithms, to the point of sending 10×-100× the data needed to make the probability of a mistake negligible even on the scale of the age of the universe. I'm talking about stuff like the belief that there are hidden variables within digital information - variables that can never be transcribed as information - and this belief being founded in fact. In THS!
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10-11-2014, 09:42 AM | #25 |
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The first one is just an issue of specifics of the type Guprs loathes with a paranoid passion like energy output and power densities. A factor of 10 to 100 is actually rather tame in comparison.
The second one I'm not sure I understand. THS allows perfect xoxing which wouldn't be possible if some aspects weren't copyable.
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I agree that easy duplication of digital entities and the making of Ghosts cheapen life. But conversely I don't see much real difference in the continuation of consciousness versus the continuation of identity. For me I'm just trying to make the game little easier to comprehend for a group of players who are new to Transhumanism, and I want there to be a major difference between humanity and the Zone Minds. The vat grown bio-androids provide enough moral ambiguity about what it means to be human. Benjamin |
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10-11-2014, 12:59 PM | #28 |
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There seem to be several differences. The main one being that in TS 5th wave societies there's either developing cyber-symbiosis or AI-slavery but no robot overlords at all. Purely mechanically machine sapience seems hardware dependent in RoS, but not in TS.
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Oh, the other poster's desire to keep A.I.s hardware based. That doesn't necessarily require unexpressable data. It could instead be impossible to trivially determine. Some artificial A.I.s styles I've read of now learn how best to use their hardware in such a way that information and "mental structure" is "stored" in mechanical faults rendering them not fully digital. Meaning that you can't just copy them as you would a simple program but need a kind of ghosting procedure as well if you want the entire A.I.
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