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Old 01-17-2014, 12:51 AM   #141
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What I think could happen is that there's a substrate or a stratum laid out in the topological shape of the brain or other structure desired, and cells of the desired type are affixed to it and/or embedded in it by nanomachines, then their growth, duplication, and repair mechanisms are set to the desired stages and allowed to commence, filling in any gaps and extruding fine substructures, like a chia pet's earthy patch is seeded and grows a series of grass blades.

Once the structure is suitably complete and functional, the biogenesis process can be ended or paused, and the machine-assembled tissues can do whatever its made to do. If the structure is an immature but fast-maturing brain, it can begin to learn and grow new cells and add grooves and wrinkles with all the "implants" hooked up, and so on for a year or so, then the probes withdraw and the biogenesis process resumes and closes the skull over it or otherwise integrates it into the desired final configuration.
Yes, that's what I meant too.

What about the simulated childhood? That seems unnecessary. I really think that Mink's experience was the result of her being intended as a childlike victim and not the normal course of programming for say a PRC Space Marine.
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:40 AM   #142
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What about the simulated childhood? That seems unnecessary. I really think that Mink's experience was the result of her being intended as a childlike victim and not the normal course of programming for say a PRC Space Marine.
It's the only internal depiction in the book, so it should be somewhat representative and the jargony description of the stasges of development can cover a variety of situations, plus DP has said the vignettes are meant more to give a general sense of some aspect of the setting than be a specific event documentation so again, representative.

Space marine bioroids need to be able to walk, run, and talk, too, so if they don't get a chance to learn how during a virtual childhood in the tank, when do they learn?
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Old 01-17-2014, 04:00 PM   #143
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Space marine bioroids need to be able to walk, run, and talk, too, so if they don't get a chance to learn how during a virtual childhood in the tank, when do they learn?
Do they need to learn to play hopscotch? Kiss little Mei in 3rd grade? Run around with frogs in their pockets? Eat moon festival cakes? Have a dog? Take entry exams for college? I think it has to be a very purpose-driven abbreviated sort of training that's more like the Agoge than it is like a suburban Beijing kindergarten.


I really do think the bit with the frill dress and the swing was a fetish thing, not a bioroid thing.
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Do they need to learn to play hopscotch? Kiss little Mei in 3rd grade? Run around with frogs in their pockets? Eat moon festival cakes? Have a dog? Take entry exams for college? I think it has to be a very purpose-driven abbreviated sort of training that's more like the Agoge than it is like a suburban Beijing kindergarten.


I really do think the bit with the frill dress and the swing was a fetish thing, not a bioroid thing.
In general, I agree (or would prefer) that bioroid simulated childhood is probably very unlike a human upbringing. Very focus on their intended position and duties, maybe even inhumane (or just inhuman) compared to real childhood. Certain more structured and controlled.
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Algonaut simulated childhood...
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Algonaut simulated childhood...
Yeah, I really can't read that as being a general description. I has too many elements, that to me, seem to be present for the fetishists enjoyment and for no other reasons.
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Do they need to learn to play hopscotch? Kiss little Mei in 3rd grade? Run around with frogs in their pockets? Eat moon festival cakes? Have a dog? Take entry exams for college?
Hopscotch builds kinesthenic skills, contact with classmates is part of learning appropriate behaviors within assigned cohorts, participation in traditional social activities encourages identification with and emotional support for that society as well as raising barriers for successful infiltration. Care of a dog is a test of competence at unsupervised long-term responsibility, and entry exams and other challenges can obviously be set up to test all sorts of KSAs desirable to the cause.

Or you can make it a totally goal-oriented stretch to condition the subjects to utter loyalty to the state, ruthlessness in battle, and submission to the approved ideology, and enjoy the effectiveness of the Khmer Rouge child soldiers.
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Hopscotch builds kinesthenic skills, contact with classmates is part of learning appropriate behaviors within assigned cohorts, participation in traditional social activities encourages identification with and emotional support for that society as well as raising barriers for successful infiltration. Care of a dog is a test of competence at unsupervised long-term responsibility, and entry exams and other challenges can obviously be set up to test all sorts of KSAs desirable to the cause.

Or you can make it a totally goal-oriented stretch to condition the subjects to utter loyalty to the state, ruthlessness in battle, and submission to the approved ideology, and enjoy the effectiveness of the Khmer Rouge child soldiers.
So an entire 18 years of development in full detail played at 9x speed with an eight week bootcamp at the very end (in 6 days)?
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Yeah, I really can't read that as being a general description. I has too many elements, that to me, seem to be present for the fetishists enjoyment and for no other reasons.
Well, duh, the content is adjustable to suit without making the process of knowledge, skill, and ability induction unrepresentative.
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I'd imagine the biggest adjustment any artificial "childhood" would be crafting it so the big reveal when decanted wouldn't be too much of a destabilizing shock.
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