02-04-2018, 08:30 PM | #1 |
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DR for the eyes...(Dungeon Fantasy)
I've joined a group of melee heavy characters and they are all stating that they have DR for their eyes.
They are both monks and one of them bought Damage Resistance as a power as well. One is human, the other is fluffed as a lizardman but he went the advantages/powers route out of the various books not using the DF templates. DR 9 on the eyes sounds a bit high to me. Or is this just the norm? In any case I'm curious how this was done. EDIT: I just looked at the Martial Artist template. They do get Damage Resistance at -10% & -40% cost for -50% (Chi, Tough Skin) I'm not sure how this means it applies to the eyes as well. 5 Pts for DR 2 everywhere (aka force field) seems a bit...inexpensive. Is there a clarification on this?
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02-04-2018, 08:46 PM | #2 |
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Re: DR for the eyes...(Dungeon Fantasy)
Damage Resistance explicitly does not apply to the eyes IIRC. You need Nictating Membrane for that.
Also Dungeon Fantasy has been carefully designed for game balance, you will note that innate DR tends to be limited to DR 1 or 2 for the templates. Martial Artists can't buy DR 9 by RAW and if they could, DR (Chi, Tough Skin) does not apply to the eyes. It also has other limitations, it's very much not a forcefield. DR from Basic is one of the best possible advantages to buy if you are going into a DF setting. You could spend 100 of your 250 points on getting vanilla DR 20 and then be basically immune to almost every melee attack. That's why it's heavily limited in the DF setting. EDIT If you can just buy stuff out of Basic, your most abusive option is likely some kind of attack power. You could buy a cheap rapid fire crushing attack for example that would be pretty much like a machine gun with infinite ammo, and have plenty of points left over for the DR 20 I mentioned above. Again, this is one the reasons why DF was designed like it was. Last edited by mr beer; 02-04-2018 at 08:53 PM. |
02-05-2018, 12:03 AM | #3 | |
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Re: DR for the eyes...(Dungeon Fantasy)
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Almost every type of DR in DF has Tough Skin (except the DR on most monsters). Both Dragon-Blooded and Lizard Men have Nictating Membrane 2 (which is 2 DR for the eyes). |
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02-05-2018, 01:40 AM | #5 |
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Re: DR for the eyes...(Dungeon Fantasy)
Huh. Well, it has been a while since I've read Basic... I thought Forcefield just added in equipment protection.
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02-05-2018, 05:54 AM | #7 | |
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For ahistoric fantasy games, I've suggested using a fine wire grid, similar to a modern fencer's mask, to cover the eye slits. If your GM allows that, it would give DR 3 before you start worrying about vision/light penalties and would weigh as much as DR 3 plate for the eyes. An even more advanced option is to put periscopes in front of the eyes. A skilled attacker can still target your eye slits and break the mirrors, effectively blinding you, but being blinded in one eye is better than being blinded in one eye AND taking a hit to the skull. For high powered fantasy games, solid steel plate face masks that are made transparent somehow (Invisibility spells, Cosmetic Control Metal, whatever) are also popular. There's no real limit to how high you can make the DR at that point: DR 14 isn't unreasonable.
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02-05-2018, 08:36 AM | #8 |
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Re: DR for the eyes...(Dungeon Fantasy)
You can't just make a solid plate out of transparent whatever, unless you're going to add a life support system. There is definitely not enough air circulation with a helmet-like bucket on your head to sustain athletic activity, and the way fantasy PCs tend to wear their armor 24/7, I'd even be worried about surviving the night.
You'd also want climate control, but by the time you're making invisible helmets a Cool enchantment should be manageable.
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02-05-2018, 08:42 AM | #9 |
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Re: DR for the eyes...(Dungeon Fantasy)
Worth noting that face-protecting DR does protect the eyes.
It's worth noting because there's no way you'd know from the Basic Set...
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02-05-2018, 08:53 AM | #10 | |
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By default, the situation is your DR8 visor can be penetrated at the eyeslit chinks by a bodkin arrow doing 5 damage, which almost blinds you in one eye and does 4 injury to your brain. If the arrow did 6 damage, it almost certainly blinds you and does 8 injury and likely makes you roll to resist knockdown at -10. The same arrow to your mouth through a DR8 perforated visor is a knockdown roll at no penalty and only 1-2 points of injury. That's a huge difference.
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