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Old 04-10-2011, 03:02 PM   #11
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What's the specified effect?
Working against Cosmic attacks.
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Old 04-10-2011, 03:03 PM   #12
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What's the specified effect?
It ignores Cosmic's ability to ignore it. This actually isn't too far removed from what the OP wants - the SD's weakness is basically "Cosmic: Ignores SD" for free. +50% probably would work decently well, provided the ability be required to have some sort of truly-limiting Limitation, like Unreliable, Costs FP, Fickle, or be limited to a certain attack type (in fact, this could be a good starting point for an "Immune to Fire" type Advantage)
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Old 04-10-2011, 03:13 PM   #13
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Are you suggesting that I'd need better than Cosmic +50% to do this, like +100% or even +300%? Or saying not at all?
I'm just saying that no existing application of Cosmic of which I am aware does what you ask.

Spitballing it... Supernatural Durability is basically Unkillable 1 1/2, plus High Pain Threshold, some nice immunities, conditional Injury Tolerance, and the ability to function at very low Hit Point levels. +50% is probably not too cheap for what you're suggesting; it might even too expensive, since the difference between Unkillable 1 and Unkillable 2 is Regrowth plus [10] points. Reverse engineering Achilles' Heel suggests around +43%. However, not all the benefits of Supernatural Durability relate to your weakness in the first place.

So for simplicity's sake, I would just call it No Achilles' Heel (+40%). That's 60 points, cheaper than being Unkillable 2 all over again.
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Old 04-10-2011, 03:43 PM   #14
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Is it acceptable to use Cosmic +50% to remove the "weakness" from SD?

It still wouldn't be invulnerability (which is frowned upon RAW), as they can be slowed down with HP damage, and can be killed with a single attack that does 10xHP damage.

I just ask because I've seen uses of Cosmic +50% or more to allow things like IT:Diffuse to protect against area effect damage officially nixed (and rightfully so, it's a quick, cheap way to total invincibility).

But I don't think this application of Cosmic to SD to remove this built-in limitation is even remotely as abusive. Have there ever been any rulings that said "no, shouldn't be allowed" to this?

Just to clarify, I'm the GM, and yes, I know I can do anything I want but I generally prefer to play by the RAW, making only minor deviations from it where appropriate.
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It's a perfectly valid use for "Cosmic".
However, in my book, you'd need a pretty good argument to be allowed to give a character this though.
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Old 04-10-2011, 04:19 PM   #15
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Yes!
It's a perfectly valid use for "Cosmic".
However, in my book, you'd need a pretty good argument to be allowed to give a character this though.
I thought more about allowing a PC to have it, but limited so it Costs FP per second of being in that state, and leaves him with a nasty Nuisance Effect: Backlash afterwards (like temporary incapacitation and/or some large Attribute Penalties), and maybe limited uses per day.
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Old 04-10-2011, 04:45 PM   #16
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Working against Cosmic attacks.
What sort of Cosmic attack does Supernatural Durability not work against? Cosmic (Irresistible) ignores DR, not Supernatural Durability or Unkillable, and I've never seen Cosmic (Ignores Supernatural Durability) on an attack, nor does the Cosmic Power Modifier give your attacks this effect.
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Old 04-10-2011, 05:14 PM   #17
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What sort of Cosmic attack does Supernatural Durability not work against? Cosmic (Irresistible) ignores DR, not Supernatural Durability or Unkillable, and I've never seen Cosmic (Ignores Supernatural Durability) on an attack, nor does the Cosmic Power Modifier give your attacks this effect.
I didn't say it's a useful modifier. I'm just reading out of the rulebook.
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Old 04-10-2011, 05:23 PM   #18
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I didn't say it's a useful modifier. I'm just reading out of the rulebook.
I was referring to the use of Cosmic to bypass certain built-in limitations of advantages (as in removing the specific item or class of items that works normally on you for SD), not the use of Cosmic to overcome defenses.
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Old 04-10-2011, 05:26 PM   #19
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I was referring to the use of Cosmic to bypass certain built-in limitations of advantages (as in removing the specific item or class of items that works normally on you for SD), not the use of Cosmic to overcome defenses.
That section is titled, "Ability other than an attack or a defense."
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Old 04-10-2011, 05:28 PM   #20
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I didn't say it's a useful modifier. I'm just reading out of the rulebook.
Your post still makes no sense. It implies that as it stands, Supernatural Durability without Cosmic doesn't work against Cosmic attacks.
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