[DF] Idea for the Witch as a monster type - Page 2

The Colonel · 09-30-2014, 01:37 AM

...the witch's pact is with (an agent of) the same demonic entity that the critters in the dungeon venerate and she is seen as a paragon of their religion? More generally she is some kind of sacred or aspirational figure?

...the witch serves as the tribal spellcaster to the critters?

...the witch is a consort or advisor to whatever is leading the critters?

...the witch lives in the dungeon because she feels like it and the critters don't have the minerals to meddle in her business?

Astromancer · 09-30-2014, 05:59 AM

The Witch could have created the dungeon. Needing a stronghold, but not wanting to be obvious about it, the Witch lures the other inhabitans to the dungeon and creates the basics of the ecology they need to live on. The Witch could then choose any of Colonel's options for managing the mob.

simply Nathan · 09-30-2014, 09:55 AM

"I'm telling you guys, there's no way that the rumors of a powerful monstrous spellcaster in the Gingerbread Mines could be accurate. Let's just go in, grab some gumdrops, and leave."

Ragabash Moon · 11-04-2014, 11:12 PM

Glinda: Are you a good witch, or a bad witch?

Dorothy: I'm not a witch at all -- witches are old and ugly.

Glinda: Only bad witches are ugly.

simply Nathan · 11-05-2014, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragabash Moon

Glinda: Are you a good witch, or a bad witch?

Dorothy: I'm not a witch at all -- witches are old and ugly.

Glinda: Only bad witches are ugly.

Spoken like a truly wicked witch indeed, especially one attempting to smear a rival. And if good witches were pretty while bad witches were ugly, there'd be no need to ask the question at all...

Ragabash Moon · 11-05-2014, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Latrans

Spoken like a truly wicked witch indeed, especially one attempting to smear a rival. And if good witches were pretty while bad witches were ugly, there'd be no need to ask the question at all...

Yep. http://www.cracked.com/article_18881...ood-witch.html

Flyndaran · 11-05-2014, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragabash Moon

Glinda: Are you a good witch, or a bad witch?

Dorothy: I'm not a witch at all -- witches are old and ugly.

Glinda: Only bad witches are ugly.

"Did that skank just call me ugly?"

Astromancer · 11-05-2014, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyndaran

"Did that skank just call me ugly?"

According to the article Ragabash Moon came up with, that skank is the slyest wicked witch going.

Ragabash Moon · 11-05-2014, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Astromancer

According to the article Ragabash Moon came up with, that skank is the slyest wicked witch going.

Yep, though if you pay attention to the play or even more so read the book, you get the same thing from Wicked, although in Wicked Glinda's more working for the wizard than being the mastermind behind it all herself (on the other hand, the wizard does still end up floating away... so maybe she WAS a devious mastermind after all). But, the wizard is the villain trying to oppress the Animals (who talk, as oppose to animals that do not) and the more they get oppressed, they start losing the ability to speak. In the idea of "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" the Wicked Witch is plain and simply an Animal rights activist, but the Wizard and his allies win against the "wicked terrorist" that they paint her as. Plus she's using magic she doesn't fully understand, that she can only use because her father is the wizard (though she never realizes it).

simply Nathan · 11-05-2014, 01:26 PM

You don't even really need to go into Wicked (which basically amounts to a published fanfiction) and its alternative character interpretation; even in the original books by Mr. Baum Glinda doesn't come across as pure as she's supposed to.

For one thing, she magically spies on everyone in the entire land of Oz constantly to make sure they're "being good", including those of the four kingdoms she isn't ruling. About the same as Magi-Chan Sonichu's* constant psychic surveillance of the city of Cwcville to ensure that everyone stays on the straight path, really.

Not as much of a liar and manipulator in the books as in the movie, but still not really a good person in my book.

* Yes, I think the obscure reference is worth making and that the comparison is a fair one.

09-30-2014, 01:37 AM	#11
The Colonel Join Date: Jul 2006	Re: [DF] Idea for the Witch as a monster type ...the witch's pact is with (an agent of) the same demonic entity that the critters in the dungeon venerate and she is seen as a paragon of their religion? More generally she is some kind of sacred or aspirational figure? ...the witch serves as the tribal spellcaster to the critters? ...the witch is a consort or advisor to whatever is leading the critters? ...the witch lives in the dungeon because she feels like it and the critters don't have the minerals to meddle in her business?

09-30-2014, 05:59 AM	#12
Astromancer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Virginia	Re: [DF] Idea for the Witch as a monster type The Witch could have created the dungeon. Needing a stronghold, but not wanting to be obvious about it, the Witch lures the other inhabitans to the dungeon and creates the basics of the ecology they need to live on. The Witch could then choose any of Colonel's options for managing the mob. __________________ Per Ardua Per Astra! Ancora Imparo

09-30-2014, 09:55 AM	#13
simply Nathan formerly known as 'Kenneth Latrans' Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wyoming, Michigan	Re: [DF] Idea for the Witch as a monster type "I'm telling you guys, there's no way that the rumors of a powerful monstrous spellcaster in the Gingerbread Mines could be accurate. Let's just go in, grab some gumdrops, and leave." __________________ Ba-weep granah wheep minibon. Wubba lubba dub dub.

11-04-2014, 11:12 PM	#14
Ragabash Moon Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Topeka, Kansas	Re: [DF] Idea for the Witch as a monster type Glinda: Are you a good witch, or a bad witch? Dorothy: I'm not a witch at all -- witches are old and ugly. Glinda: Only bad witches are ugly. __________________ Cleopatra: Whenever she assigned me to the switch, was that Voice, or was Raina influencing her thinking? Because, I mean, if it was Raina, she got inside my head and decided that I would screw it up.

11-05-2014, 01:26 PM	#20
simply Nathan formerly known as 'Kenneth Latrans' Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wyoming, Michigan	Re: [DF] Idea for the Witch as a monster type You don't even really need to go into Wicked (which basically amounts to a published fanfiction) and its alternative character interpretation; even in the original books by Mr. Baum Glinda doesn't come across as pure as she's supposed to. For one thing, she magically spies on everyone in the entire land of Oz constantly to make sure they're "being good", including those of the four kingdoms she isn't ruling. About the same as Magi-Chan Sonichu's* constant psychic surveillance of the city of Cwcville to ensure that everyone stays on the straight path, really. Not as much of a liar and manipulator in the books as in the movie, but still not really a good person in my book. * Yes, I think the obscure reference is worth making and that the comparison is a fair one. __________________ Ba-weep granah wheep minibon. Wubba lubba dub dub.