Stick talent

hcobb · 02-28-2022, 11:53 AM

Stick(1, IQ 6)
Ability to use clubs and mauls, included for the wizard's staff only in the Staff spell. Also included in the Ax/Mace talent.

TippetsTX · 02-28-2022, 02:40 PM

Mine is CLUB/STAFF (IQ 7, 1 point)...
Covers the sap, batons, escrima sticks as well as the quarterstaff and more primitive blunt weapons (at the GM's discretion, this talent may be selected by IQ 6 characters).

Shostak · 02-28-2022, 06:46 PM

That's all a good solution. IQ 7 seems appropriate to me.

phiwum · 02-28-2022, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hcobb

Stick(1, IQ 6)
Ability to use clubs and mauls, included for the wizard's staff only in the Staff spell. Also included in the Ax/Mace talent.

Are you saying that every wizard who knows Staff can swing his staff like a club? Why should they get this freebie?

If you think that clubs require talent, then a staff swung by a wizard shouldn't be an exception as far as I can tell. You're just showing wizards preferential treatment here.

phiwum · 02-28-2022, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shostak

That's all a good solution. IQ 7 seems appropriate to me.

IQ 6 has the advantage that it is consistent with club-wielding ogres. Ogres have a maximum IQ of 6.

hcobb · 02-28-2022, 08:07 PM

The staff exception is due to the unique personal nature of the stick, but doesn't extend to blade mastery.

phiwum · 02-28-2022, 08:16 PM

I'm not asking whether you can come up with a story justifying the exception. I'm asking why there should be an exception.

Eh, it's your house rule, so you can do what you want, but if you think that it's unreasonable actual warriors can swing a club without training or penalty, then I can't fathom why wizards should be able to do so with their staff. Might as well say that your favored dagger staff doesn't require Knives skill. Unique personal nature of the blade and all.

Staff already comes with a melee attack of sorts -- the occult blast. Adding a specialized club training to it seems gratuitous to me.

02-28-2022, 11:53 AM	#1
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Stick talent Stick(1, IQ 6) Ability to use clubs and mauls, included for the wizard's staff only in the Staff spell. Also included in the Ax/Mace talent. __________________ -HJC

02-28-2022, 02:40 PM	#2
TippetsTX Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: North Texas	Re: Stick talent Mine is CLUB/STAFF (IQ 7, 1 point)... Covers the sap, batons, escrima sticks as well as the quarterstaff and more primitive blunt weapons (at the GM's discretion, this talent may be selected by IQ 6 characters). __________________ “No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style.” -Vladimir Taltos

02-28-2022, 06:46 PM	#3
Shostak Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: New England	Re: Stick talent That's all a good solution. IQ 7 seems appropriate to me. __________________ * * * * Anthony Shostak myriangia.wordpress.com

02-28-2022, 08:07 PM	#6
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Re: Stick talent The staff exception is due to the unique personal nature of the stick, but doesn't extend to blade mastery. __________________ -HJC

02-28-2022, 08:16 PM	#7
phiwum Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Boston area	Re: Stick talent I'm not asking whether you can come up with a story justifying the exception. I'm asking why there should be an exception. Eh, it's your house rule, so you can do what you want, but if you think that it's unreasonable actual warriors can swing a club without training or penalty, then I can't fathom why wizards should be able to do so with their staff. Might as well say that your favored dagger staff doesn't require Knives skill. Unique personal nature of the blade and all. Staff already comes with a melee attack of sorts -- the occult blast. Adding a specialized club training to it seems gratuitous to me.