Orc Resisting a Curse

Gidoza · 07-16-2013, 03:00 PM

The wording is somewhat ambiguous...which of the following is it?

1. The Orc can resist a curse and loses a level, unless he is level 1, in which case he can resist the curse but loses no level.

2. The Orc can resist a curse and loses a level, unless he is level 1, in which case he cannot resist the curse.

Brf · 07-16-2013, 03:14 PM

If the Orc is 1st level, he cannot pay the level to do the resist, therefore, he cannot resist it.

Gidoza · 07-16-2013, 09:38 PM

So I'm wondering why it's this way for Orc, and not for Thief? Seems silly to me.

Blazinjsin · 07-16-2013, 10:13 PM

For the org, it's an activation cost. For the thief, it's a penalty for a bad roll, just like suffering bad stuff. And just like bad stuff and curses, if they can't affect you, nothing happens

Brf · 07-17-2013, 10:37 AM

For the thief, the Cost of stealing is the card they discard first. They have to pay the cost of discarding a card before trying to steal. The level-loss for being unsuccessful is a resulting penalty, not a cost.

Gidoza · 07-17-2013, 10:40 AM

Yes, I understand that...but what I meant by my question is why it's permitted for Thieves to steal at level 1 at all. Let's phrase it that way instead.

Brf · 07-17-2013, 10:42 AM

Thieves can steal as long as they have cards to discard.
Orcs can ignore curses as long as they have levels to lose.

Andrew Hackard · 07-17-2013, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gidoza

Yes, I understand that...but what I meant by my question is why it's permitted for Thieves to steal at level 1 at all. Let's phrase it that way instead.

Because that's the way Steve wants it and has said he wants it every time the question comes up.

Gidoza · 07-19-2013, 08:13 PM

Yes I understand that, but that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking for an explanation that's better than just "because," because that's not a real answer and doesn't illustrate game dynamics at all.

Brf · 07-19-2013, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brf

Thieves can steal as long as they have cards to discard.
Orcs can ignore curses as long as they have levels to lose.

As we explained, the level loss for failing to steal is not a payment, it is a penalty. The rules already explain that any penalty to lose a level cannot take you below level-1

07-16-2013, 03:00 PM	#1
Gidoza Join Date: May 2013	Orc Resisting a Curse The wording is somewhat ambiguous...which of the following is it? 1. The Orc can resist a curse and loses a level, unless he is level 1, in which case he can resist the curse but loses no level. 2. The Orc can resist a curse and loses a level, unless he is level 1, in which case he cannot resist the curse.

07-16-2013, 03:14 PM	#2
Brf Join Date: Apr 2011	Re: Orc Resisting a Curse If the Orc is 1st level, he cannot pay the level to do the resist, therefore, he cannot resist it.

07-16-2013, 09:38 PM	#3
Gidoza Join Date: May 2013	Re: Orc Resisting a Curse So I'm wondering why it's this way for Orc, and not for Thief? Seems silly to me.

07-16-2013, 10:13 PM	#4
Blazinjsin Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Baltimore, MD	Re: Orc Resisting a Curse For the org, it's an activation cost. For the thief, it's a penalty for a bad roll, just like suffering bad stuff. And just like bad stuff and curses, if they can't affect you, nothing happens __________________ (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ I am King of Munchkin Mountain!!! Check out my trades ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 🍕

07-17-2013, 10:37 AM	#5
Brf Join Date: Apr 2011	Re: Orc Resisting a Curse For the thief, the Cost of stealing is the card they discard first. They have to pay the cost of discarding a card before trying to steal. The level-loss for being unsuccessful is a resulting penalty, not a cost.

07-17-2013, 10:40 AM	#6
Gidoza Join Date: May 2013	Re: Orc Resisting a Curse Yes, I understand that...but what I meant by my question is why it's permitted for Thieves to steal at level 1 at all. Let's phrase it that way instead.

07-17-2013, 10:42 AM	#7
Brf Join Date: Apr 2011	Re: Orc Resisting a Curse Thieves can steal as long as they have cards to discard. Orcs can ignore curses as long as they have levels to lose.

07-19-2013, 08:13 PM	#9
Gidoza Join Date: May 2013	Re: Orc Resisting a Curse Yes I understand that, but that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking for an explanation that's better than just "because," because that's not a real answer and doesn't illustrate game dynamics at all.