06-17-2020, 02:59 PM | #21 |
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Re: Can you aim a gun you can't see?
Would it help to concoct another "mundane" example, or at least, one that does not rely upon the fantastic (like being invisible)?
Firing from some form of partial cover. Maybe you're sticking your arm and firearm around the cover, or there's enough of an opening in the cover that you can stick your arm and weapon through it. You're not firing totally blind, though; like I said, it is partial cover, so you can see over it. The cover just obstructs your view of your own arm and weapon. Maybe that makes zero difference, and I cannot reality test this. As someone who barely every shoots a firearm and has a poor track record tossing things into the bin, it doesn't make sense that aiming requires you're able to see your weapon... but quality aiming would. So some bonus ought to be allowed, and it is probably being eaten up by additional penalties.
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06-17-2020, 03:36 PM | #22 | |
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06-18-2020, 09:24 AM | #23 |
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Re: Can you aim a gun you can't see?
Rather than "no Acc if no sights" I'd rather something like we assume that Acc is just the weapons' balance and then add even more Acc for weapons w/ sights (which obviously doesn't help throwing axes)
If this makes ranged combat seem too accurate, there's always bringing down people's hit bonuses via Anti-Talents like non-combatant which TBH the majority of modern peaceful societies ought to start with and buy off if they had any brawling experience (even if not enough to get the brawling skill) If we just assume all newborn humans start off with Non-combatant 4 (-4 to hit) and many don't buy off that Anti-Talent as they grow up, then giving sighted shooting better Acc would make taking Aim maneuvers all the more important and discourage snap shooting, which probably makes a huge amount of sense for beginners. Plus there's situatioanl penalties to hit which I think apply when you fail fear checks or have mental disadvantages related to combat? |
06-18-2020, 10:05 AM | #24 |
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It's sort of possible. If you're not illuminated you don't gain much from a modern barrel sight, it's harder to sight in a scope. I'd say you gain the acc bonus but perhaps you have a -1 or -2 circumstance penalty on the roll.
If your gun is invisible you're not using the sights, can't functionally align the barrel for the shot even with a scope, but you're still taking a second to line-up your shot and taking advantage of the accuracy of the weapon. I'd say even if you cant' see your gun you could have half it's accuracy on an aim but no bonuses for scopes or other aiming tools. |
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Although it makes to distinguish rules for using the sights, I don't want Tactical Shooting to just penalize gun Acc without penalizing other Acc. One thing that comes to mind though is you might be able to emulate sights using your bare hand (just gazes where your finger is pointing) for supers who just shoot energy blasts from their fingertips. You can't do that while one-handed shooting an invisible pistol (your fingers are wrapped around the handle or pulling the trigger) but maybe with 2-handed shooting a invisible pistol you could hold up a index finger along the barrel to emulate a sight? That's probably only good for occasional shots though, not constant combat, given how the barrel will heat up and burn your finger, unless you have DR from gloves or some kind of power to absorb burning/heat damage. |
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As for throwing weapons: the whole aiming for almost all of them actually totally different from aiming something like a firearm. The aiming is in those cases a question of stabilizing the weapon in its motion. For rotating weapons like slings it is the rotational stabilization, for things like spears it is usually move back and worth to get the path right. You cannot really do such with an invisible weapon. Quote:
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Tactical shooting tries to use the existing acc scores to classify weapons on how easy it is to hit with them when actually doing things like long range shooting and kind of goes wrong. According to GURPS it is easier to hit at long range with a 4 MOA accuracy world war 1 rifle at long range than a under 1 MOA current AR 15 style carbine with acc 4, even though the second is both easier to shoot, likely has better sights, and is mechanically and ballistically much more accurate. But in any case you should not use mechanical accuracy like the sniper rifle vs the blunderbuss. The mechanical accuracy has no bearing on your ability to hit at such short ranges. Quote:
Though if you have a laser sight, your problems mostly go away at short ranges, and are reduced a lot at medium if you can see the dot. In such case aiming with the laser sight you effectively have about the same as fixed sights. At longer ranges the difficulty of seeing the dot and the inability to adjust sight height will make it much more challenging, But at least even i such case if you actually manage to see the dot you have a reference point, so if the target has something that allows you to see the dot reflected form above it you might be able to hit something(not likely, but at least possible) Gurps gun ACC seems to be mostly: How easy and well can you align the sights with the target. |
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06-22-2020, 06:57 AM | #29 | |
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