01-20-2023, 10:00 AM | #101 | |||||
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Re: Blending Star Trek and the World of Darkness (classic)
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01-21-2023, 12:52 AM | #102 | |
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The appearance of entities like that among their own citizens might muddle that poilcy up a bit, and might lead to them having to invent a new policy. With the amount of psychic phenomena that are a regular part of their job, it seems like it would make sense for Starfleet to have a paranormal/psionics branch already, possibly as a subdivision of the science division as Pursuivant said. Though if they have, it doesn't seem to be mentioned much in the series - possibly to prevent Starfleet from seeming too "alien". There are crew members with psychic powers, but any practical use of those in the line of duty seems to be on an informal, "what happens on Enterprise stays on Enterprise" basis. As Pursuivant mentioned, Starfleet doesn't allow Augments, so the Changelings and Mages (and possibly other high-powered supernaturals) might come under the same heading, depending on what exactly the reasoning is for not allowing Augments. If the rest of Starfleet really isn't making systematic use of psi, then Section 31 possibly is. Apart from anything else, the CIA is known to have gone there at least once, and Section 31 seems to be a CIA-expy sometimes. There might be a serious incompatibility issue between the Vulcans and the Changelings (ironically, given the Vulcans' appearance). It seems like the Changelings would see the Vulcans as Banality on two legs (for those not familiar, prolonged exposure to "high-Banality", i.e. hidebound and boring, things or people is actually harmful to Changelings' health). And the Vulcans might see the Changelings, not only operating on dream logic but having the ability to inflict it on everyone nearby, as a direct threat to their sanity. Still, it seems likely that it wouldn't be the first time Starfleet has had to deal with species who are literally allergic to each other. Aside from Vulcans, though, Changelings might be quite keen to get on a Starfleet ship. "Seeking out new life and new civilisations", and exposure to humans who are doing so and excited about it, is the kind of thing that Changelings literally feed on.
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01-21-2023, 05:00 AM | #103 |
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Re: Blending Star Trek and the World of Darkness (classic)
More powerful Mages would probably end up leaving Starfleet to work on other things. Being a higher level mage seems to be a full time job. But lower level mages would be very useful to have around. A few levels in the Prime and Life Realms (spheres) would be a great help in Sickbay.
The Augments had been at war with humanity and caused near genocidal wars. That would give anybody a bad reputation.
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01-22-2023, 09:18 AM | #104 | |||||
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Individuals from the Q Continuum, the Organians, etc. will sometimes break this policy but as a whole the super-advanced species seem content to watch the silly primitive corporeal humanoids play with their starships and crude scientific technology. Quote:
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In some treatments of Star Trek RPGs psis get lumped into the Psychology Department of the Sciences Division. I'd love to see a canon Star Trek "psionic adept," who makes Spock or Troi look like clueless noobs, but writing a series around a character who can blow holes holes through even the thickest plot armor at will would be a huge challenge. Transporters and superscience already cause enough headaches for writers (and GMs). Quote:
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01-23-2023, 04:37 PM | #105 |
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Re: Blending Star Trek and the World of Darkness (classic)
Decades of "been there, done that, got the medal/commendation to prove it" and a bad case of "Protagonist Exponential Competence Syndrome" which manifested by Season 5 of DS9.
He's never depicted as a long-term starship commander, but there are a number of episodes of DS9 where he takes the captain's chair aboard USS Defiant when Sisko, Dax, or Worf aren't present. That implies that he's got Bridge Officer Certification, although in O'Brien's case he's primarily got the Engineering and Ops officer skill set, with enough Leadership, Navigation, Piloting, Shiphandling, and Tactics skill to get by in Command Department, and enough practical Astronomy, Engineering, and Metallurgy skill to get by in the Sciences Department. |
01-29-2023, 05:17 AM | #106 |
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Thinking about it. Wouldn't there be a point for most Mages were you would have to make a choice? Being a high ranking Starfleet officer is a full time job. Being a high level mage is more like being an active scholar producing serious scholarship while teaching a full class load. At some point something would have to give.
A few Mages would both be high level officers and master Spheres, Starfleet would be glad to have officers like that. But those guys would be few and far between.
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01-29-2023, 11:29 AM | #107 | |
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The would probably formal magical research institutions, on Earth for traditions which require a connection to the planet, possibly in space for traditions which don't. Equivalent institutions in Star Trek canon would be the Daystrom Institute or the Memory Alpha library. |
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01-29-2023, 12:21 PM | #108 |
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Re: Blending Star Trek and the World of Darkness (classic)
Why would the Federation (or any other group) allow the creation of any other new vampire?
If new vampires are created without consent, this could be viewed by society as a barbaric and criminal act. If it is legally allowed as long as its consensual, dont you think the impacts for society could be absolutely overwhelming? While some (maybe even most) possibly wouldnt want that for religious, moral or philosophical reasons, I can imagine some of the most... Greedy types of society - which by the way are also the ones to climb higher - to actively seek out for those benefits of immortality and supernatural powers. Imagine politicians, bureocrats, military officers, businesses managers, all sorts of people with influence within society, doing shady deals and trafficking influence with vampire masters in exchange for their Dark Gift. If synthetic blood is available, we could be looking to an explosion of vampirism in society - and maybe society slowly but surely turning into a "Vampire-tocracy", while if their curse demands it to be blood that came from a living sapient (for some arcane reason), despite the synthetic blood being exactly the same in every possible way (except in the mystic sense), this would create huge pressures for vampires to accumate "blood donators" and a massive competition between existing vampires as well as a massive competition between influent individuals thirsty for the Dark Gift. Open vampirism could break society On the other end, if "vampiric breeding" gets forbidden, they could either happen illegally on the fringes of society, or vampires could become an endangered species... Which some "Homo vampiricus" could not too be to keen on letting happen, thus becoming a minority group prone to revolutionary thinking... Last edited by KarlKost; 01-29-2023 at 12:47 PM. |
01-29-2023, 06:18 PM | #109 |
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Given that World of Darkness vampires are what we are talking about, that assumes the likely moral degeneration of most Vampires. Guaranteeing the mental illness and corruption of a very powerful entity. A being that is cursed to see most intelligent beings as snacks.
It's clear that the creation of new vampires would always be forbidden.
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01-29-2023, 10:12 PM | #110 | |
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How would this ban be seen by the "Homo vampiricus" population? Would some become rebels? Those are no small questions |
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