06-10-2013, 10:45 PM | #1 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Cockeysville, MD
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Wait for an attack, then run into close combat
If a player takes a wait triggered by a melee attack, to run into the same hex as the attacker, does this prevent the attack? If so, can the attacker change manuvers?
edit: assuming a reach 1 weapon, if that wasn't clear. |
06-10-2013, 10:56 PM | #2 |
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: earth....I think.
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Re: Wait for an attack, then run into close combat
Unless the attacker started their turn in close combat and can not move out of close combat, the attacker can still attack at no penalty.
It is only when the attacker starts in close combat with their target and attacks while still in close combat with said target do they at track at a penalty if you are using gurps martial arts, otherwise they can not attack. Last edited by zoncxs; 06-11-2013 at 11:10 AM. Reason: dam auto correct! |
06-11-2013, 12:42 AM | #3 | |
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Re: Wait for an attack, then run into close combat
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06-11-2013, 01:02 AM | #4 | |
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I agree with Vicky, I want that book or PDF also. ;) (Emphasis mine.) An interesting idea, but the foe still gets to defend *before* close combat is entered, and gets to retreat if he hasn't moved yet. Basically close combat is difficult to force on somebody unless you've got the drop on him. Say, for example, a grapple from behind. |
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06-11-2013, 10:41 AM | #5 | |
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Re: Wait for an attack, then run into close combat
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Or having basic move 11 which gives you a 2 yard step - then you can beat his retreat :) |
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06-11-2013, 11:24 AM | #6 | |
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: L.I., NY
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In that case, is this how it works? A: Turn 1 starts- Wait triggered by B attacking B: Turn 1 starts - Steps to Range 1 starts to attack. A: Wait triggered. Committed attack (determined) steps 1 yard into close combat and rolls for his attack. B: Retreats and rolls defense, as if at range 1, because that was the range before A started his attack. A: Steps the second yard to stay in C range. B: Completes attack (at range C?) A: Turn 2 starts - Attacks at range C. |
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06-11-2013, 11:55 AM | #7 | |
Join Date: Mar 2013
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One way to keep him at C is to grapple him. |
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06-11-2013, 01:25 PM | #8 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Cockeysville, MD
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Re: Wait for an attack, then run into close combat
What I am wondering is if:
A: Wait triggered by B attacking B: Steps to Range 1 starts to attack. A: Wait triggered. MOVE, steps 1 yard into close combat. B: ??? There was no attack on B, so they do not get a retreat. Does their reach 1 weapon still get an attack in close combat? Also, what happens if A and B start in the same hex. A: Wait triggered by B moving away. B: Begins a Step (back) and attack. A: Steps to maintain close combat, attacks. At this point, can B retreat and parry the unarmed attack? And can B still get an attack? |
06-11-2013, 01:31 PM | #9 | |
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: L.I., NY
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But once in close combat, as B is at the beginning of A's second turn, even if he isn't grappled B can only dodge, or parry with a reach C weapon. B can retreat, but A can use his step to follow. If B steps out to range 1 before his next attack, A can use a slip when he defends to move into close combat again for the beginning of A's next turn. If A is a skilled fighter with a reach C weapon but no particular grappling skills, and B has no reach C weapon, for example if A has a rapier and main gauche, and B has rapier and buckler, this could work for A because moving in like that can deprive B of his better defenses. It not perfect, because B's attacks on A are still considered to be a reach 1. |
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06-11-2013, 01:56 PM | #10 | |
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: L.I., NY
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Re: Wait for an attack, then run into close combat
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My take on it is that the step would take B to reach 1, so he can parry the attack, and if he retreats during the parry, he could then attack with a reach 1 weapon. But I'm less confident of that. |
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