Weapons for giants

[hcobb]

I figure that giants won't carry the most complex weapons (excuse me while I hand cock this arbalest to settle down those noisy dragons), so here's my take on suitable weapons:

https://www.hcobb.com/tft/new_spells.html#Gear

and also

https://www.hcobb.com/tft/house_rules.html#giants

[Bill_in_IN]

I'll check out your links later.

My general rule was that if you made a giant-sized version of a weapon, you start by doubling everything in the weapons table: ST requirement, dimensions, weight, damage, and cost. We have had discussions about how the weights in the table are probably too high so, that could be trimmed back some. The damage may need to be trimmed back as needed. But the cost can remain double or maybe a bit more for local economic reasons.

This general approached worked well back in our Classic TFT days. In Legacy TFT, more trimming may need to occur.

[Bill_in_IN]

Another caveat to giant-sized weapons in games was that even very strong humans (one-hex characters) couldn't wield them because of their physical size. There was some wiggle room on that but not much. A sword made for a giant would have a grip made for much larger hands. A larger diameter spear could possibly be wielded by a strong human (maybe).

Giant 2-Handed Sword requires ST 28, does 6d-2 damage, and could reach 2 hexes from the giant. No, under legacy, one may want to reduce that damage.

Due to availability and general ease, it's easier to give human-sized 2-handed weapons to giants and let them use it 1-handed while having a large or tower shield in the other hand. If the giant decides to use the human-sized 2-handed weapon with both hands, I use the 2-handed club damage example from Melee (ST 30 with 2-handed club = 3d+3 damage). For every 10 ST above the require weapon ST, add 1d+1. So, the 2-Handed sword swung with both giant hands would yield 4d damage provided that his ST is 24 or greater.

[hcobb]

What I have is
Giant Sword† 4d+1, ST 25, $250, 25.0 pounds, Needs ST 30 to wield one handed
So only 15 avg damage on a hit.


Donno where you got the 6d-2, 19 avg damage from.

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by hcobb

What I have is
Giant Sword† 4d+1, ST 25, $250, 25.0 pounds, Needs ST 30 to wield one handed
So only 15 avg damage on a hit.


Donno where you got the 6d-2, 19 avg damage from.

2-handed sword = 3d-1 damage---->giant 2-handed sword =2x(3d-1)= 6d-2.

This worked well for Classic TFT but probably needs to be trimmed back for Legacy.

Doubling the human-sized weapons was my starting base and then modified it from there.

[hcobb]

ST Sword Damage Club damage
one handed:

8 1d-1 1d-1
9 1d 1d
10 2d-2 1d
11 2d-1 1d+1
12 2d 1d+1
13 2d+1 1d+2
16 3d-2 1d+3
17 3d-1 1d+4
19 3d+1 1d+4 (Last of the by the book examples)
...
24 3d+2 1d+5 (Extrapolating the chart)
30 3d+3 1d+6
35 4d 2d+4
40 4d+1 2d+4

Two handed:
13 3d-2 1d+3
14 3d-1 1d+3
16 3d+1 1d+4

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by hcobb

ST Sword Damage Club damage
one handed:

8 1d-1 1d-1
9 1d 1d
10 2d-2 1d
11 2d-1 1d+1
12 2d 1d+1
13 2d+1 1d+2
16 3d-2 1d+3
17 3d-1 1d+4
19 3d+1 1d+4 (Last of the by the book examples)
...
24 3d+2 1d+5 (Extrapolating the chart)
30 3d+3 1d+6
35 4d 2d+4
40 4d+1 2d+4

Two handed:
13 3d-2 1d+3
14 3d-1 1d+3
16 3d+1 1d+4

How does this chart relate to the damage of giant-sized weapons? I see weapon damage and club damage presented as two separate things.

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_IN

How does this chart relate to the damage of giant-sized weapons? I see weapon damage and club damage presented as two separate things.

Any sufficiently huge sword is just a sharp club.

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by hcobb

Any sufficiently huge sword is just a sharp club.

So, I have to decipher your cryptic answer to mean that a Great Sword does 1d+4 damage when wielded with two hands by a giant. Correct?

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_IN

So, I have to decipher your cryptic answer to mean that a Great Sword does 1d+4 damage when wielded with two hands by a giant. Correct?

Insufficiently huge.


Halfway between club and sword we have the giant's spiked club.