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Old 04-16-2013, 03:58 PM   #1
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Default [DF] Invisibility Art for the Martial Artist?

Invisibilty Art requires "Trained By A Master, and both Hypnotism and Stealth at 14+." (B202) However, Hypnotism seems a Bard-exclusive skill (DF1:21). So how can the Martial Artist take Invisibilty Art without multi-classing?
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:00 PM   #2
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Probably a perk or small unusual back ground cost, if the GM agrees that it is appropriate to the character
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:06 PM   #3
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Invisibility Art isn't on the Martial Artist template. Play a Ninja if you want it.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:11 PM   #4
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Invisibility Art is a Chi skill, isnt it? Do requirements vanish for special skills?
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:13 PM   #5
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Invisibility Art is a Chi skill, isnt it?
It isn't on the list of special skills for the Martial Artist. It is on the list for Ninja. I suspect this is deliberate niche protection.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:18 PM   #6
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Alright, I figured it out. The Chi skill list formerly seemed to confuse me. Thanks a lot!

EDIT: Okay, I am still confused. Why is Invisibilty Art a Chi skill if the Martial Artist cant have it although the Chi skill list says "Those with any points in Chi Mastery can learn..."? Who is addressed with "those" here then?

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Old 04-17-2013, 10:47 AM   #7
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Default Re: [DF] Invisibility Art for the Martial Artist?

Regular skill prerequisites apply in DF, but there are also some extra ones (e.g., having the right power). If you somehow acquire these extra prerequisites and learn an associated skill, though, you can use that skill as a normal prerequisite. This is basically a sign that Invisibility Art requires an unusual individual with two sorts of powers (probably via a lens, like martial artist-bard). If the GM doesn't like that, then he can just waive the Hypnotism prerequisite . . . it won't really break the game.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:32 AM   #8
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Or just talk to the GM and get the go-ahead for paying $80/pt for a skill not on your template (if using training costs).
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:26 PM   #9
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Or just talk to the GM and get the go-ahead for paying $80/pt for a skill not on your template (if using training costs).
You'd need to do that for both Hypnotism and Invisibility Art.
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:11 PM   #10
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If you somehow acquire these extra prerequisites and learn an associated skill, though, you can use that skill as a normal prerequisite.
Thank you a lot for clarification! I was already tempted to use the rules in this way as it seemed to be the only logic possibility.
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