11-05-2021, 08:19 AM | #11 |
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Re: Carbon Laminate / Light Plastic Cladding
The structure cards are mathematically balanced, but they *feel* quite different from one another. Much of that is based on your car build and play style:
Each structure card gives you a fair return for your BP in a different way. At 2BP, I tend to prefer Carbon Laminate, because I don't feel robbed if the black die never comes up a shield...and it's absolutely awesome when it does. That said, I've used all of them many times. It just depends on the other cards I have equipped and how "dicey" I'm feeling that day. |
11-05-2021, 01:14 PM | #12 |
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Re: Carbon Laminate / Light Plastic Cladding
IMO, the more armor points you are playing with, the more valuable the defense dice become as opposed to the damage a structure can take.
For me, it comes down to how many times you are likely to be able to use it for the rolls as opposed to just soaking up damage.
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11-05-2021, 01:40 PM | #13 |
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Re: Carbon Laminate / Light Plastic Cladding
You make a good point, since games with high armor points do tend to run a few rounds longer. That said, the dice-oriented structure cards are useful even in small games, since the weapons tend to be smaller, requiring more shots to chew into the lower AP. As long as the AP/BP/CP ratio stays at or near the recommended 1:4:1, there are typically multiple opportunities for the dice to pay off, and things stay pretty balanced (though the dice will still betray you).
It gets *very* weird when you use a ratio that is wildly different, but having fun with those numbers is part of the sandbox aspect of the game. |
11-06-2021, 10:17 AM | #14 | |
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Re: Carbon Laminate / Light Plastic Cladding
I do very much appreciate how the game mechanics are all about opportunity costs! In particular, picking between X at n BP versus Y at n+1 BP is very compelling!
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Here’s the mean expected DP value by number of attacks. Standard Ceramic Plate is a flat 4 DP. Light Plastic Cladding (1 blue die) is 50% chance of 1 (so .5 on average), plus the 1 DP base. Carbon Laminate and Standard Steel Plate are in between those two. Note that this table is by attacks, not turns. In a four player game, six attacks (the tipping point where Cladding starts out-pacing Ceramic Plate) could just be one round! .....1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9 SCP 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 .CL 3.2 3.3 3.5 3.7 3.8 4.0 4.2 4.3 4.5 SSP 2.3 2.7 3.0 3.3 3.7 4.0 4.3 4.7 4.7 LPC 1.5 2.0 2.5 3.0 3.5 4.0 4.5 5.0 5.5 Notice that there is not a column where either Carbon Laminate or Standard Steel Plate is better than both Standard Ceramic Plate and Light Plastic Cladding. One of the later two is clearly the better choice. It really is a question about how long you think your armor will last! Last edited by beetle496; 11-06-2021 at 12:49 PM. Reason: Grammar |
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11-06-2021, 11:48 AM | #15 |
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Re: Carbon Laminate / Light Plastic Cladding
The game length was intended to sit at an average of six rounds (factoring in both large and small BP games), and the structure cards needed to last somewhere between a third to half of that length to feel worthwhile.
It's really cool to see that play out in your chart! |
11-06-2021, 11:54 AM | #16 |
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Re: Carbon Laminate / Light Plastic Cladding
Also, the strategy of everyone picking on one player, while a logical choice in older versions, is not as clear-cut in this version. You WANT more guns on the table to spread the damage around, but you don't want them shooting at YOU...so positioning is key.
If all three other players are shooting at you for all attacks, one of these things happened: 1) You went out of control, making you the prime target. 2) You positioned your car so that you are the "pig-in-the-middle." 3) Your opponents are conspiring to eliminate you first. You can generally avoid #1 and #2, and #3 can be avoided for every game afterward (don't play with those people). [edit: typo] |
07-15-2022, 05:26 AM | #17 | |
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Re: Carbon Laminate / Light Plastic Cladding
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12-07-2023, 12:59 AM | #18 | |
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Re: Carbon Laminate / Light Plastic Cladding
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12-07-2023, 07:38 AM | #19 |
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Re: Carbon Laminate / Light Plastic Cladding
One other thing that is worth keeping in mind is collisions. The cards with additional dice will fare more poorly, as the dice are of no use in collisions. So if you expect a lot of collisions, it's usually a better plan to go with the big slab of damage points.
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