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Old 02-23-2024, 03:48 PM   #1
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Default Outlander cycle?

Quite a few of the early ADQ adventures refer to an "Outlander" cycle, apparently assuming I'll know what one is. The list in my AADAVG2 says it appeared in DCW (and Gurps Autoduel, but I'm not clever enough for GURPS, and I know enough to know it will not help me anyway). Presumably it was in the early editions of the game, but it ain't in my Compendium or DCW material, or in my book of Convoy.

Anybody know where I can find a listing for it? Failing that, and not wanting to infringe any copyrights, a description - eg, heavy cycle, RR on the front, HC 2, passenger, roughly $5K? Or whatever... I get the impression it's a notch up from the Shoguns.

Hopefully some of you got Pocket Box reprints (or originals)!
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Old 02-23-2024, 11:47 PM   #2
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Page 39, GURPS Autoduel 1e.

Heavy cycle, heavy suspension, super cycle powerplant, Accel 15, top speed 90, armed with a single MG or RL front.

Pretty generic.
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Old 02-23-2024, 11:48 PM   #3
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Book doesn't give the HC, but this should be enough to rederive it in CWC terms.

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Old 02-24-2024, 12:22 AM   #4
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Apparently it's on the stock vehicle list in the pocketbox too. Hc 2.
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Old 02-24-2024, 02:40 AM   #5
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Apparently it's on the stock vehicle list in the pocketbox too. Hc 2.
Yes, it made it all the way to the B&W Car Wars Deluxe Edition but was no longer present from Compendium 2 onwards.

The listing shows the option as a second linked MG rather than an RL (it's the Shogun 200 that has the RL option).

There is a sidecar that goes with it. This has a RL which would need to be fired instead of the main armament as it can't be linked. I would dump the RL, and have a rider with hand weapons or a pintle gun instead. It does however have improved suspension so would increase the HC to 3.

The main issue with the sidecar or the 2 gun version is that you lose what I consider the main advantage of the Outlander which is the acceleration. The basic Outlander could hide in a side street and catch up a vehicle moving at road speeds from a standing start by the time the rider had begun to get his sustained fire from the MG. Of course an MG is pretty pathetic against a combat vehicle, but against the 20pt armour of many of the contemporary vehicles (or an urban runabout) it was adequate (especially with a pack attack).

I reworked it to use modern components to enhance the capability (without altering the basic structure and falls into the scope of a retrofit) and it becomes more credible.

Outlander Redux by Swordtart:
Heavy Cycle; Cycle chassis; Heavy suspension; Super Cycle PP w/HDHTMs; 2 Hvy Duty tires. Driver. Machine Gun w/20xStandard. Pillion Passenger; HD Shocks. 2x9 pt. LRFP Hubs, 1x9 pt. LRFP Guards F; 1x9 pt. LRFP Guards B; 2x9 pt., 2 spc. LRFP CA (Plant, Rider); 2x9 pt., 1 spc. LRFP CA (MG, Pillion*).

Cost: $7,338, Wgt: 1,240,
HC: 2, Top Speed: 160 (105), Accel: 10 (20).

It can still carry 60lb of cargo (e.g. personal gear) without affecting the Accel. That means the Pillion passenger (who has a 360 arc of fire) can carry something pretty chunky. Alternatively you can add conventional armour.

Whilst you lose the 15 Acc of the original, the HDHTMs will bring it to 20 in stern chase. The addition of 4 sets of CA, wheel guards and hubs. and upgrading from Std to HD tires adds resilience. HD shocks means you can actually weather some of the fire that now strips your armour rather than components per the original design.

The cost is almost double, but it is much more resilient.

Alternatively if you want to double down on that speed advantage...

Outlander Speedball Redux by Swordtart:
Heavy Cycle; Streamlining; Cycle chassis; Heavy suspension; Super Cycle PP w/HDHTMs; 2 Standard Radial tires. Driver. Machine Gun w/20xStandard. HD Shocks. 2 pts. Plastic (F: 1 R: 0 L: 0 B: 1 T: 0 U: 0); 2x1 pt. Plastic Hubs, 1x1 pt. Plastic Guards F; 2x1 pt. Plastic Hubs, 1x1 pt. Plastic Guards B; 1x2 pt., 2 spc. Plastic CA (Plant); 1x5 pt., 1 spc. Plastic CA (MG).
Cargo 18lb (Acc 15) or 318lb (Acc 10)
Cost: $6,479, Wgt: 988, HC: 3, Top Speed: 197.5 (130), Accel: 15 (30).

The Std tires of the original have been upgraded to Radials giving a welcome HC boost (which you will need if you are doing 197.5 MPH). Wheel guards and hubs have been added to make the wheels more resilient to gunfire (and virtually immune to hand weapons). Some conventional armour has been retained to allow streamlining but CA has been used instead to bring the protection back up for the main components. There is 18lb spare for personal equipment (IBA for rider usually).

*CA for Pillion may not fit with your interpretation of the rules so you might save this weight and cost.
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Old 02-24-2024, 03:09 AM   #6
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Thank you all! Since it seems to be the default gang leader cycle I was expecting something marginally less... rubbish :). I'll will probably slightly upskill the original a la Swordtart's designs, and keep working on the rather more competent "Inlander" I started on last night...
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Old 02-24-2024, 09:26 AM   #7
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The best gang leader cycle is generally a trike :)
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Old 02-24-2024, 03:37 PM   #8
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Hopefully some of you got Pocket Box reprints (or originals)!
The _Outlander_ dates from _CW_ Pocket Box, no less -- it's one of the first vehicles ever published. It's in the insert with the Weapon Data, the road sheets, and such.

Citing from same:

Heavy cycle; Heavy susp.; Super PP; 2x Std. tire; driver. MG [F]; Cargo: 2 sp., 310 lbs. Armor: F, B: 5. $4,920; 990 lbs. [unloaded]. Acc.: 15 [up to 10 lbs. cargo] | 10; TS: 180 [up to 10 lbs. cargo] | 155 [loaded]; HC: 2.

Option: Remove 2 sp.|200 lbs. cargo; add MG [F or B]. $6,420.

There's also a sidecar:

Heavy s-car; Imp. susp.; 1x Std. tire. RL [F]; Cargo: 1 sp.|15 lbs. Armor: F, L, R, B, U: 4. $2,400; 750 lbs. [loaded].
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Old 02-26-2024, 11:17 AM   #9
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The Outlander, the Joseph Special, and the Hotshot (among others) were some of the first stock designs, and complete trash. Everyone driving them is long dead. I will say they were good in one sense, a new player could design something better right away.
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Old 02-26-2024, 02:05 PM   #10
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The Outlander, the Joseph Special, and the Hotshot (among others) were some of the first stock designs, and complete trash. Everyone driving them is long dead. I will say they were good in one sense, a new player could design something better right away.
The _Joseph Special_ wasn't *that* bad -- I won some "classic era" duels in NOVA with both versions.

The _Outlander_ is most-assuredly a Support Unit, with all that cargo space; "combat" cycles are the _Shogun_ 100, or 200 (esp. the RR variant). For ex., if one is creating the cycle force for "Pack Attack", a "realistic" biker-gang force using only Pocket Box units might look like this:

-- 5x _Shogun 200_ [RR Variant]; each cyclist has BA, SMG
-- 1x _Outlander_; cyclist has Shotgun

The _Shogun_s are for destroying the opponent; the _Outlander_ is ridden by the gang's mechanic, and carries any salvage in the cargo space.
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