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Old 12-14-2020, 06:32 PM   #21
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More accurately, AFAICT, casting seidr magic was implied in places to require that, as it was considered an 'unmanly' practice (depending on the source, the implications were more or less specific). Galdr magic was considered manly, and apparently did involves spells (or something like spells). One of the distinctions was that galdr spells were sung, while seidr spells were chanted.

Odin used both galdr and seidr, I think.
I stand corrected. But Odin did dress in drag to cast Seidr and was a master of all magics. Deities like Zeus and Indra simply performed miracles. Odin, like Isis or the Celtic gods needed to cast spells. The difference needs to be noted.
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Old 12-15-2020, 10:13 AM   #22
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This is actually a pretty popular one. I have made some suggested edits.

It seems to me that Odin was an idealized Teutonic King, though Tolkien said he fitted odd in the Norse pantheon and was imported from the Goths. In any case it is hard for me to imagine him NOT liking war. I think some readers got the impression that I meant liking war the way Mussolini did (Mussolini was a poser anyway). I really meant, the way a Klingon would, though that trait is probably more emphasized in Thor.

Yule was related to Slaughtertime because most of the meat would have been left over and stewed though they may have kept a few cattle around for fresh night.

Mother's Night is not mentioned. It was probably more Frey's holiday.

Yule was more a Wild Hunt type of Holiday, more like Halloween than our idea of Christmas. You stay inside and tell tales and party or Odin will catch you, etc.

This is becoming a pretty good thread. Sometime I'd like to do Guy Fawkes. Because there is no reason the 5th of November should ever be forgot.
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Sometime I'd like to do Guy Fawkes. Because there is no reason the 5th of November should ever be forgot.
Seems pretty straightforward if we're doing the real guy (or Guy), as opposed to the mythic rebel antihero. Drawing upon Wikipedia:

Name: Guy Fawkes (aka: Guido Fawkes, John Johnson) [150]:

Culture: TL: 4 [0]; Familiarity: Western [0]; Languages: English (Native / Native) [0]; French (Accented / Accented) [4]; Spanish (Accented / Accented) [4];

Attributes: ST 13 [30]; DX 11 [20]; IQ 12 [40]; HT 13 [30];

Secondaries: SM: 0 [0]; Dam: 1d / 2d-1; BL: 34#; Spd: 6.0 [0]; Mov: 6 [0]; HP: 13 [0]; FP: 13 [0]; Per: 12 [0]; Will: 12 [0];

Advantages: Appearance (Attractive) [4]; Charisma +1 [5]; Fearlessness x2 [4]; Fit [5];

Disadvantages: Fanaticism (British Catholicism) [-15]; Sense of Duty (Friends and Family) [-5];

Quirks: Congenial [-1]; Mildly Stubborn [-1];

Skills: Acting (A) IQ-1 [1]-11; Area Knowledge (E) (England) IQ [1]-12, (Spain) IQ [1]-12; Broadsword (A) DX-1 [1]-10; Current Affairs/TL4 (E) (Politics) IQ [1]-12; Diplomacy (H) IQ-2 [1]-10; Explosives/TL4 (A) (Demolition) IQ-1 [1]-11; Guns/TL4 (Rifle) DX+1 [2]-12; Hiking (A) HT [2]-13; Leadership (A) IQ [2]-12; Mathematics/TL4 (H) (Applied) IQ-2 [1]-10; Savoir-Faire (E) (Military) IQ [1]-12; Soldier/TL4 (A) IQ+1 [4]-13; Spear (A) DX-1 [1]-10; Survival (A) (Plains) Per-1 [1]-11; Riding (A) (Equine) DX [2]-11; Tactics (H) IQ-1 [2]-11; Writing (A) IQ-1 [1]-11;

Notes: Born in 1570 in Stonegate, York, and educated at St. Peter's School in York. A soldier by vocation, he fought in the Eighty Years War for Catholic Spain against the Dutch Republic. By 1596 he had become a junior officer and reportedly fought well in the Siege of Calais. By 1603 he was recommended for a Captaincy. Variously described by contemporaries as, "pleasant of approach and cheerful of manner, opposed to quarrels and strife ... loyal to his friends," "a man highly skilled in matters of war," "a tall, powerfully built man, with thick reddish-brown hair, a flowing moustache in the tradition of the time, and a bushy reddish-brown beard," and "a man of action ... capable of intelligent argument as well as physical endurance, somewhat to the surprise of his enemies."
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I stand corrected. But Odin did dress in drag to cast Seidr and was a master of all magics. Deities like Zeus and Indra simply performed miracles. Odin, like Isis or the Celtic gods needed to cast spells. The difference needs to be noted.
OK, that I agree with. It's interesting sociologically, as it shows the differences in how each culture viewed their gods, and power in general. For some settings, though, it can be used as an indicator of which gods started out as spirits, and which ones were once mortals, who gained great power.
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Seems pretty straightforward if we're doing the real guy (or Guy), as opposed to the mythic rebel antihero. Drawing upon Wikipedia:

Name: Guy Fawkes (aka: Guido Fawkes, John Johnson) [150]:

Culture: TL: 4 [0]; Familiarity: Western [0]; Languages: English (Native / Native) [0]; French (Accented / Accented) [4]; Spanish (Accented / Accented) [4];

Attributes: ST 13 [30]; DX 11 [20]; IQ 12 [40]; HT 13 [30];

Secondaries: SM: 0 [0]; Dam: 1d / 2d-1; BL: 34#; Spd: 6.0 [0]; Mov: 6 [0]; HP: 13 [0]; FP: 13 [0]; Per: 12 [0]; Will: 12 [0];

Advantages: Appearance (Attractive) [4]; Charisma +1 [5]; Fearlessness x2 [4]; Fit [5];

Disadvantages: Fanaticism (British Catholicism) [-15]; Sense of Duty (Friends and Family) [-5];

Quirks: Congenial [-1]; Mildly Stubborn [-1];

Skills: Acting (A) IQ-1 [1]-11; Area Knowledge (E) (England) IQ [1]-12, (Spain) IQ [1]-12; Broadsword (A) DX-1 [1]-10; Current Affairs/TL4 (E) (Politics) IQ [1]-12; Diplomacy (H) IQ-2 [1]-10; Explosives/TL4 (A) (Demolition) IQ-1 [1]-11; Guns/TL4 (Rifle) DX+1 [2]-12; Hiking (A) HT [2]-13; Leadership (A) IQ [2]-12; Mathematics/TL4 (H) (Applied) IQ-2 [1]-10; Savoir-Faire (E) (Military) IQ [1]-12; Soldier/TL4 (A) IQ+1 [4]-13; Spear (A) DX-1 [1]-10; Survival (A) (Plains) Per-1 [1]-11; Riding (A) (Equine) DX [2]-11; Tactics (H) IQ-1 [2]-11; Writing (A) IQ-1 [1]-11;

Notes: Born in 1570 in Stonegate, York, and educated at St. Peter's School in York. A soldier by vocation, he fought in the Eighty Years War for Catholic Spain against the Dutch Republic. By 1596 he had become a junior officer and reportedly fought well in the Siege of Calais. By 1603 he was recommended for a Captaincy. Variously described by contemporaries as, "pleasant of approach and cheerful of manner, opposed to quarrels and strife ... loyal to his friends," "a man highly skilled in matters of war," "a tall, powerfully built man, with thick reddish-brown hair, a flowing moustache in the tradition of the time, and a bushy reddish-brown beard," and "a man of action ... capable of intelligent argument as well as physical endurance, somewhat to the surprise of his enemies."
We could actually do both and write a separate one for the folkvillain.
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Old 12-18-2020, 10:42 AM   #26
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Bad Scrooge:

Medium Status: Petty Loan Shark
Reputation: Miser
OPH: Hates Christmas

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Wealth

Disadva:

Callous
Greed
Hidebound
Honesty
Miserliness
Misanthropy

Skills:

Accounting
Finance
Merchant
I played Ebenezer Scrooge a few times; that looks pretty good to me.
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....For Christmas a less Saga type and more straight forward Myth. We all know who he is:

Santa Claus:

Reputation: Grandfatherly (to children)

Advantages:

Ally Group: Elves
Animal Empathy: Reindeer
Flight
Lightning Calculator
Mindreading: Knows who's been Naughty or Nice

Disadvantages:

Compulsive Generosity
Mistaken Identity: Looks Like Odin
Unusual Background: Fnord
Very Fat
Wealth: Fnord
That looks pretty good for the modern St. Nick. But keep in mind that Santa Claus has changed a great deal historically.

Louisa May Alcott was perhaps the first to give Santa his elves, and that in 1856. And as Sean Punch pointed out to me, in GURPS terms, we'd probably think of those crafter elves as gnomes.

And even though I’d heard the 1823 poem “A Visit from St. Nicholas” aka “Twas the Night Before Christmas” many times, it was many years before I thought seriously about St. Nick being an elf. Having grown up seeing the plus-sized human Santa in stores, I didn’t take the phrase “right jolly old elf” too seriously. But not only is he called an elf, historically his image had been blended with that of a nissie, which was often depicted with a long white beard and sometimes a red-colored conical hat (think "small garden gnome"). While Tolkien-influenced modern roleplaying games often depict elves as human sized (if thin), in the 1800s they were typically very small.

And “A Visit from Saint Nicolas” goes further in its small elvish description. St. Nick works fast, which apparently includes coming down the chimney quickly. That’s something a very small if chubby elf could do, but not a full-sized, large-bellied, human man. And St. Nick is apparently small enough to be transported by “a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer.”
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Bad Scrooge:

Medium Status: Petty Loan Shark
Reputation: Miser
OPH: Hates Christmas

Adva

Wealth

Disadva:

Callous
Greed
Hidebound
Honesty
Miserliness
Misanthropy

Skills:

Accounting
Finance
Merchant
What about good Scrooge? He sheds Callous, Greed, Miserliness, and Misanthropy and gains... Charitable and Sense of Duty (Humanity)?
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What about good Scrooge? He sheds Callous, Greed, Miserliness, and Misanthropy and gains... Charitable and Sense of Duty (Humanity)?
..and Compulsion (Generosity), Nightmares, Gastophobia...
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..and Compulsion (Generosity), Nightmares, Gastophobia...
Dependent (Tiny Tim)
Reputation +2 (Knows how to keep Christmas well)
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