07-24-2016, 02:00 PM | #1 |
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Magery 0 vs. Magery 1+ and modifiers?
Okay, so the way that GCA handles Magery made me wonder... If I take "One-Spell Magery" then do I still have Magery 0 unmodified? That is, I can still cast any spells that do not require Magery 1+ (I just don't get my Magery bonus), or do I still only have Magery for that one spell, not even Magery 0, because I am totally a non-mage in regards to all other spells?
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07-24-2016, 02:34 PM | #2 |
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Re: Magery 0 vs. Magery 1+ and modifiers?
Did you put One-Spell Magery on the Magery 0, or just the Magery 1?
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07-24-2016, 03:01 PM | #3 |
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Re: Magery 0 vs. Magery 1+ and modifiers?
Oh yeah I know that I am asking this in a general game rules point of view, the GCA just make me think to ask.
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07-24-2016, 03:32 PM | #4 |
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Re: Magery 0 vs. Magery 1+ and modifiers?
I mean the question -- Socratically -- in a general way. You could, in theory, separately limit each level of Magery. If Magery 0 has no Limitations, then it behaves like Magery 0 normally does, regardless of whether or not Magery 1 has any limitations.
Whether or not that kind of thing makes sense as a character concept is a more difficult question. You could probably come up with a story to explain a general Magery 0 with a One-Spell Magery 1. But it's certainly simpler and more straightforward if you apply the same Limitations to every level of Magery that you have. (And I'd have no problems with a GM that made that a ruling just to keep things simple.) Slightly more complicated would be requiring Limitations to "nest" such that once a Limitation shows up at some level of Magery, that Limitation also has to be taken on all higher levels. You could even have many levels of higher Magery, all with different Limitations, meaning at any given point in game time some of them would apply and some of them wouldn't. Knowing what level of Magery the character has requires evaluating all the Limitations whenever it matters. That would be quite complex to keep track of during play, and whether or not all that complexity is worth while is one of those things for the GM and player to work out. |
07-24-2016, 03:46 PM | #5 | |
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Um. No you absolutely do not put limitations on Magery 0. The program tells you not to. Now, forget the program. As a Mage with one spell Magery, my Magery bonus only applies to the one spell. But I still am a Mage, so can i still cast other spells as long as they don't require Magery 1+?
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07-24-2016, 03:53 PM | #6 |
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Re: Magery 0 vs. Magery 1+ and modifiers?
In Basic the assumption was that you couldn't limit Magery 0 on the principle that even you had the "Must Dance" limitation, you would still be able to sense magic and use magic items without dancing. But that's a default setting assumption, not something inherent.
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07-24-2016, 03:54 PM | #7 | |
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07-25-2016, 06:18 AM | #8 | |
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So. Magery (regular Magery, not Magery 0) is a leveled advantage which is coded to give a +1 to all spells. The one college modifiers (and possibly the others, I dunno) have to cancel out that bonus, so they do it by giving a blanket -1 to all spells. Then they give you back your bonus to the one college. So you get +1-1= +0 to all spells, and +1-1+1=+1 to the one college. If you apply that to Magery 0, you have a problem. Magery 0 doesn't give a bonus to spells. So you get a -1 to all spells and a +0 to your college. EDIT: This is also why GCA gives you strict warnings about not applying the limitations from DR onto other advantages - they do the same thing to remove the general DR, and if you put that on, say, Regeneration (to make Very Fast Regeneration (Only vs Heat/Fire, -40%) [60]) you'd get a -4 to DR (Very Fast is the 4th level of Regeneration, if I'm counting on my fingers correctly).
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07-25-2016, 07:34 AM | #9 | |
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In GCA there is a separate set of modifiers for Magery and Magery 0, for exactly the reason that Bruno mentions. Historically we had many issues with users going to the giant list of All Modifiers and grabbing one at random to add to whatever ability (or even equipment) they were building and then not understanding why their Regeneration is giving a minus to DR or their Flak Vest is giving a bonus to Spells. This is why we added the warning dialogs and, in later versions, made it so you couldn't just get the giant list of All Modifiers without changing the program preferences.
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Instead, I tend to just halve the value of any Limitations past the first, since a lot of Magery's Limitations are quite generous, probably because they limit you only to 1. I do not know if there is any official uncap on Magery's Limitations. |
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