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Old 03-10-2014, 06:24 PM   #41
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Here's the trailer, so other ppl don't have to hunt for it and find a spoilery ad along the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k0kkSHiiPE

Interesting that they were able to get another "real" dramatic actor like Redford. Maybe he asked?
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Old 03-10-2014, 06:31 PM   #42
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Interesting that they were able to get another "real" dramatic actor like Redford. Maybe he asked?
That seems not unlikely give what I've read. Saw a quote from Kevin Feige that said "Mr. Redford is not shy about the fact that his grandkids are a fan of this and he wanted to do something that his grandkids would watch him in."
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Old 03-10-2014, 06:40 PM   #43
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Here's the trailer, so other ppl don't have to hunt for it and find a spoilery ad along the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k0kkSHiiPE?
Wow, Batroc the Leaper? And they're trying to make him serious, it looks like.
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Old 03-10-2014, 06:59 PM   #44
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Wow, Batroc the Leaper? And they're trying to make him serious, it looks like.
To be fair, in the comics Batroc is one of the few folks that can consistently fight Cap to a draw. After all, he's a savateur with a lifetime of training and practice. He's just suffered from bad costuming over the years, as they never changed his uniform from the outlandish getup he wore in his first appearance in the '60s, when many villains wore stuff they'd regret later on (case in point, that horrid green outfit with fur that the Vanisher wore, before he switched to a pure black bodysuit); one villain told Batroc's daughter he was surprised to learn Batroc was straight.

That Marvel also writes French accents "like ziz" doesn't help the reputation among casual readers.

With a Hollywood costuming department, Batroc could be a believable threat and not look stupid while doing it.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:26 PM   #45
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The trailer has a moment where Cap takes out a mook by holding up his shield and punching the shield, which has the mook's face behind it. Sort of the exact opposite of the scene where he stops Thor's hammer.

So, does the vibranium property of absorbing energy only work one way? Is that a property Cap can turn on and off?
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:35 PM   #46
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If we are building on a budget, sure. If we're just modeling a fictional character, there doesn't seem to be much reason to feel constrained in our choice of traits in the name of efficiency. Which is not to say that Super ST is necessarily the right way to go, but just an idea I tossed out there. If it's felt that ST 20, for instance, is a reasonable maximum given his build, then a few points of Super ST could model his apparent lifting and striking abilities.
Straight ST and HP don't need to be constrained by his build, though. If he takes a straight ST/HP 40, you might want to have the last 20 or more be 'massless' to represent his greater power/weight ratio and structural strength relative to his mass.
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:42 PM   #47
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The trailer has a moment where Cap takes out a mook by holding up his shield and punching the shield, which has the mook's face behind it. Sort of the exact opposite of the scene where he stops Thor's hammer.

So, does the vibranium property of absorbing energy only work one way? Is that a property Cap can turn on and off?
I don't see any way he could turn it off and on - it's a solid piece of (fictional) metal, not a device with circuitry or switches. I suppose it's conceivable that its kinetic energy absorbing/deflecting properties are at least somewhat directional, depending upon some handwave about the alignment of the crystalline structure, in which case it would seem convex = stopping and bouncing back applied forces, while concave works in reverse, and the edge would I guess depend on the exact angle of attack. That would explain how he doesn't get driven into the ground by Thor's attack, and make shield rushes on his part extremely effective, although it would also be breaking Newton's laws left and right.
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:48 PM   #48
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Vibranium completely destroys known physics as it is. It destroys energy. That's the only explanation of how it can "absorb" huge amounts of energy and not release them somewhere else.
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I don't see any way he could turn it off and on
Amazing Skill, of course. He's Captain America (seriously, in the comic books, he uses it as a weapon where it does full damage, and also uses it to block with where apparently all the vibration is absorbed). It's probably most consistent to treat it as something really really hard (that produces highly elastic collisions) with a backface that absorbs vibration.
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Old 03-10-2014, 11:02 PM   #50
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Vibranium completely destroys known physics as it is. It destroys energy. That's the only explanation of how it can "absorb" huge amounts of energy and not release them somewhere else.
It is shown to release the energy elsewhere - it turns energy directed into the shield into energy directed in a circle normal to the incident angle, at least as shown in Avengers when Thor strikes the shield.
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