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Old 11-20-2023, 07:26 AM   #11
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No, in the case of talking about what's iconic in cinema it depends on the producer. Hollywood is perfectly willing to use guns in cinema, but it's fairly indifferent to which guns and using a gun is either neutral (i.e. both sides use it) or bad, you really don't have any guns that are only used by good guys.
Producers do not control what becomes iconic (and that word being in the title means that it's important to the question). Their choices may cause it, but they don't generally know in advance what will be a big enough hit for anything in it to qualify as iconic, and what won't. That's up to the collective reactions of the audience.

All that said, my post was reacting specifically and only to you saying 'using guns is generally considered somewhat suspect.' There are people who think that, and people who don't. The number of people who feel that way in any given region is highly variable. I'd've clipped the quotebox more if I'd realized that was not clear.
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Old 11-20-2023, 08:58 AM   #12
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No, in the case of talking about what's iconic in cinema it depends on the producer. Hollywood is perfectly willing to use guns in cinema, but it's fairly indifferent to which guns and using a gun is either neutral (i.e. both sides use it) or bad, you really don't have any guns that are only used by good guys.
The OP specifies an "action game", not cinema.

I don't think the question is answerable without him elaborating on who are supposed to be 'bad' or 'good'.
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Old 11-20-2023, 09:24 AM   #13
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I'm having trouble thinking of a bad guy using a Desert Eagle either though Arnold uses them in a couple of movies.
The Agents used Deagles in the Matrix movies.

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There may be some principle about large and conspicuous guns used by very macho Good Guys as a trademark.
Some of that is true; big guns for big damn heroes. Some of that is just a legacy of "real guns look tiny and they need to be impressive onscreen."
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Old 11-20-2023, 09:49 AM   #14
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No, in the case of talking about what's iconic in cinema it depends on the producer. Hollywood is perfectly willing to use guns in cinema, but it's fairly indifferent to which guns and using a gun is either neutral (i.e. both sides use it) or bad, you really don't have any guns that are only used by good guys.
In at least one of the Purge movies, all the guns used by "bad people" are "tactical" guns(black plastic with attachments), while the guns used by the heroes of the film to defend themselves were "classic" guns(wood and metal) with minimal attachments.
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:34 AM   #15
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In at least one of the Purge movies, all the guns used by "bad people" are "tactical" guns(black plastic with attachments), while the guns used by the heroes of the film to defend themselves were "classic" guns(wood and metal) with minimal attachments.
On the other hand, a lot of First Person Shooter video games feature the heroes using the "tactical" guns, while the hostiles using more "classic" guns is fairly common (largely because the iconic look for the AK-47 is metal-and-wood, and as previously noted the AK is frequently typed as the "bad guy" weapon). I'd assume the choice in the case of the Purge movie was political in nature, although that's a rabbit hole we should probably avoid in this thread (granted, AK-47's being the archetypal "bad guy guns" was political as well, but not in the more controversial way 2A tend to go). Certainly the one Purge movie I watched (Election Year) seemed to have a pretty political message.
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Old 11-20-2023, 01:55 PM   #16
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Rather than good guy/bad guy, it might be more common to have a divide more like specialist/generalist or exotic/familiar. Die Hard comes to mind, where the Everyman Good Guy winds up in the finale with no-nonsense Beretta while the Scary Bad Guy wields a very exotic (for the time and place) Steyr AUG. And the final shot of the film is the very down-to-earth cop firing a very down-to-earth cop revolver.

Which one is the good guy and bad guy depends on the narrative.
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Old 11-20-2023, 02:09 PM   #17
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Really, what's iconic isn't based on 'bad' or 'good', it's based on expectations on what a particular group is normally armed with. Generally speaking, anything corresponding to a real world entity will use armament similar to what they use in the real world (though often unrealistically heavily armed) and thus whether a given weapon is a 'good guy weapon' or a 'bad guy weapon' depends on whether the group in question is being represented as good or bad.
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Old 11-20-2023, 02:21 PM   #18
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Well, I think I get you, while there is no "good guy" or "bad guy" weapons, some are iconic enough to quickly identify its wielder as good or bad. I'll try to list some:

Pistols/revolvers

Berettas, glocks and sig sauers generally are "cop" guns, be them good or bad;
HK USP and Colt 1911 are generally "spec ops" guns, or used by "leave me alone" veterans
Bad guys use soviet pistols, like tokarevs
Desert Eagles are used by "badasses", be them good or evil

Submachine guns/machine pistols
HK Mp5 are generally "good guys" guns, but can be "bad guys" if it is the short, mp5k version, or "spec ops" if the mp5sd version
Mac-10, Uzis, mini uzis, skorpions (old version) and other "one handed" machine pistols are generally for bad guys, their goons, more specifically.

Rifles
M16, M4 or any of its variations are good guy guns, while versions with a truckload of attachments are "spec ops" guns;
Bad guys use ak-47, ak74 or, more usually, some bad quality copy of one of those. Some times bad guys can use IMI galil too if the production don't have access to aks.
Dragunov are used by bad snipers, while good snipers use m40 or some version of a m14. Spec ops snipers use walther 2000 or hk psg1 in older movies, or a .50 or similar in new movies.

Machine guns
Bad guys will use RP or RPK, sometimes even a MG3. Good guys will use m60 or m240, if they are "tactical" and using a bipod/tripod, or will use a m249 "rambo style" to show that they are strong.
Both side will use .50 (BMG or soviet) depending on their side.

Well, I guess that it is that. Of course that this is a gross simplification, but looking at movies and videogames from the last 20 years that is the pattern that I see. Hope that helps.
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Old 11-20-2023, 03:37 PM   #19
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Well, I think I get you, while there is no "good guy" or "bad guy" weapons, some are iconic enough to quickly identify its wielder as good or bad. I'll try to list some:
None of those actually identify the wielder as good or bad. Most of the things you describe as 'good guy' actually just identify 'government', and government being good or bad is heavily dependent on the source.
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Old 11-20-2023, 04:09 PM   #20
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None of those actually identify the wielder as good or bad. Most of the things you describe as 'good guy' actually just identify 'government', and government being good or bad is heavily dependent on the source.
Yeah, actually, if we're looking at 80's to 20's action movies, like the original poster asked for, yes, they do practically identify the wielder as good or bad, because they are most associated with these roles in those kind of movies.

This have nothing to do with real life or even realistic expectations, it is just the way those kind of movies are.
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