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05-09-2021, 01:00 AM | #1 |
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Reloading breechloaders in a single second with one weird trick. Historians hate him!
While preparing to play in a TL4 game I took a look at what my options were with firearms to see if I could make them viable as a primary weapon. What I found may shock you.
The ideal TL4 gun, assuming you care most about rate of fire, is the Breechloading Carbine. There's no practical reason the damage couldn't be higher, I've used the Ballistic Spreadsheet for this sort of thing before, but damage doesn't matter. We care only about rate of fire, and for TL4, that mostly means reloading time.
So with this method you get one shot every four seconds, or every five seconds if you aim. This isn't terrible, and puts you one second ahead of the sort of crossbows most players consider. Though The Deadly Spring can screw with that comparison. But what if, instead of doing things the right way, you did them the wrong way? Take this alternate example:
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05-09-2021, 02:28 AM | #2 |
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Re: Reloading breechloaders in a single second with one weird trick. Historians hate
I don't think that you can use loose-ammunition loading modifiers for a breech-loader. Is it even possible to load with loose ammo?
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05-09-2021, 02:40 AM | #3 |
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Re: Reloading breechloaders in a single second with one weird trick. Historians hate
Yeah, original breechloading rifles did use loose ammo. Granted, mostly in a paper case, but it wasn't a requirement.
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05-09-2021, 08:19 AM | #4 |
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Re: Reloading breechloaders in a single second with one weird trick. Historians hate
I think the correct computation is:
Basic time, 10 seconds, or 8 seconds with a successful Fast-Draw roll, as noted under the specific weapon. Paper cartridges halve basic time, so 5 or 4 seconds. Quick-Reload perk takes a further second off, so 4 or 3 seconds. The full set of steps is:
There are some safety issues with working this fast. You've had to tear the cartridge open. Failing the Fast-Draw roll risks loosing the powder, and if there are hot embers in the chamber from the previous shot, spilt powder may ignite.
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05-09-2021, 11:50 AM | #5 |
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Re: Reloading breechloaders in a single second with one weird trick. Historians hate
Just ducking in to rain applause on that brilliant header. 🤣
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05-09-2021, 12:25 PM | #6 |
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Re: Reloading breechloaders in a single second with one weird trick. Historians hate
Have you compared the historical option of wearing two or three pairs of self-igniting pistols on your chest and Fast Drawing them as you fire them? You wear them on a lanyard so you don't lose the empty ones you drop.
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Edit: here is the original gun https://collections.royalarmouries.o...bject-264.html Keep in mind that this was a toy for a king.
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05-09-2021, 01:55 PM | #8 |
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Re: Reloading breechloaders in a single second with one weird trick. Historians hate
Should that imply the cost ought to be rather higher than Low-Tech gives? A high cost would adequately explain why similar pieces did not see use on the battlefield, despite a rate-of-fire that is impressive even without the min-maxing discussed in this thread.
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On the other hand, revolvers have a small gap between chamber and barrel and generally work OK. I believe that revolver rifles and shotguns were unpopular due to putting that gap closer to the user's face and pushing more gas through it though, so there are obviously limits.
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