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Are you guys suggesting when a Filthy Rich baron becomes Comfortable for some reason, that I adjust his Status level so that his resulting Status is still 3? That would make sense, I suppose. Quote:
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I need to understand how the relationship between Wealth and Status change, though. Important - I think a Wealth bonus would be better applied to reaction rolls, and not the Status level. I think Wealth and Status are already appropriately linked by requiring characters to pay for their Cost of Living (based on Status) with their job income (based on Wealth). There's no need to tie the two together with a Wealth bonus to Status. Effectively, all we want to happen is for Wealth to be considered in social interactions -- reaction rolls. This would still allow for the same dynamic and flexibility you mentioned, but wouldn't alter what (I think) should be an independent value.
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So someone may be Status 3 (landed knight) with +1 from Very Wealthy (appropriate for Status 3, cost of living, etc.), and would have an effective Status of 4. This follows the same logic as a Status 2 character being treated as Status 0, due to a loss in Wealth. We aren't changing their raw/base Status, we're only changing the "effective" Status, due to Wealth. So, my argument is that Status doesn't need to be adjusted so that the final Status balances with Wealth to equal the appropriate social class -- as suggested by earlier posts. Instead, Status is an independent variable -- related to and modified by Wealth -- resulting in an "effective Status" for the purposes of reaction rolls. To simplify this confusing relationship, the bonus from Wealth should apply to reaction rolls in appropriate situations. Instead of having to define raw/base Status and effective Status.
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11-18-2009, 02:38 PM | #24 |
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No, you're missing the point. The intent of the game design is that the +1 or +2 to Status from Wealth is actual base Status. It isn't an "effective Status" modifier at all. Capital-W Wealth changes your Status. Small-w wealth – including what you can afford to pay as cost of living – affects only effective Status. You seem to be confusing Wealth with wealth. Wealth is a highly complex, abstract social advantage that encompasses about as much as IQ does, including but not limited to starting money, job qualifications, social connections, credit rating, land, and a hidden economic parallel to Status.
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11-18-2009, 02:40 PM | #25 |
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Likewise -- if a Status 0 adventurer comes into a crap-ton of money, I would feel comfortable giving him increased Wealth, as it doesn't change his actual Status, just his effective Status as it relates to social contexts.
Which may be a different interpretation of Wealth.
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If you could articulate the following senario in terms the rules, I would be grateful. An unlanded knight (Status 2)-- is Very Wealthy (+1), due to some business investments, connections, and all the other factors you say might make-up Wealth. This means that he bought Status 1, and his +1 from Wealth makes him Status 2 -- so that he specifically equals Status 2, as an unlanded knight. What if bad things happen to the unlanded knight, and his business investments go belly up, and he loses face among some of his connections, etc. He goes from Very Wealthy, to Comfortable -- losing his +1 bonus from Wealth. Without the bonus, his Status is 1. Is he now a Status 1 unlanded knight? Or do we increase his bought Status to 2, so he's still the appropriate Status for his social class? Please explain.
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If some Average Wealth PCs got 50,000 silver, for example, and bought a big ship (an asset), I'd go ahead and bump them up in Wealth to reflect that new level -- and just adjust their point total. If the ship gets destroyed, and they've got no other wealth (lowercase-w) (liquid or asset) to show for it, then I'm going to drop their Wealth level and adjust the point total. And if their Very Wealthy, because they own a big expensive ship, then I would use their effective Status of 1, instead of 0, when their ownership of the sea vessel is apparent in their social interactions. Despite their effective Status due to Wealth, they are still only commoners (Status 0).
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Not if Status is a "formal measurement of social class", as in a feudal setting. Loss of his business connections, etc., would be a reflection of his Wealth. According to Kromm's assertions.
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