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Old 02-15-2008, 05:33 AM   #101
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Your Active Defences are unaffected by your own Deceptive Attacks. The Active Defences of your opponents suffer a -1 for every -2 penalty you take on your own attack.

I'm not sure that there's a page reference for this, it's just that there's nothing in the description of Deceptive Attack to suggest that your defences should suffer.
p370 says that: "For every -2 you accept to your own skill (...)" (not attack). And since Parrying is derived from your skill, that would mean that your Parry drops. Or am I missing something?
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:50 AM   #102
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p370 says that: "For every -2 you accept to your own skill (...)" (not attack). And since Parrying is derived from your skill, that would mean that your Parry drops. Or am I missing something?
Generally, a penalty to skill won't affect parry, as far as I understand, unless the rules state otherwise. This is done for ease of play as much as anything else; after all, if you continually recalculate your parry or dodge after every single minus, the game will get decidedly unfun.
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Old 02-15-2008, 06:20 AM   #103
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p370 says that: "For every -2 you accept to your own skill (...)" (not attack). And since Parrying is derived from your skill, that would mean that your Parry drops. Or am I missing something?
Yes you are, the books do not state anywhere that Deceptive attacks lower defenses!

The -2 to your own skill is *just for that attack*, not for parries, other skill uses or whatever (for example, if you deceptively attack for -4 to skill, and later during your same turn an opponent tries to feint you, in following the contest of skill you use full skill, not skill -4).
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Old 02-15-2008, 06:29 AM   #104
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Close combat 3, on round 3:
Zach kicks:
Maneuver: All-Out Attack (Strong), Hit Location: Vitals, Lethal Strike (B404), Kick (Arthur)

But he injures his fist:
He suffers 1 HP of injury to his right hand, and a shock penalty of -1.

(Damage tells that it should be punch?)

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Old 02-15-2008, 07:17 AM   #105
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In Ranged 3, turn 4, Zach suffers an Major Wound and rolls for Knockdown and Stunning. The roll should have a -5 because the Wound is in the Vitals (p. B420).

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Old 02-15-2008, 07:55 AM   #106
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Generally, a penalty to skill won't affect parry, as far as I understand, unless the rules state otherwise. This is done for ease of play as much as anything else; after all, if you continually recalculate your parry or dodge after every single minus, the game will get decidedly unfun.

To build on this, the penalty for Deceptive attack is similar to penalties for hit location - drive attack skill changes only.
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Old 02-15-2008, 09:20 AM   #107
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To build on this, the penalty for Deceptive attack is similar to penalties for hit location - drive attack skill changes only.
Not exactly. p398 Hit Location clearly states that : "Each location gives penalty to attack rolls to hit that location" (not skill!). I'm a little confused now, but ill keep searching for an answer.
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:02 PM   #108
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Close combat 3, on round 3:
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(Damage tells that it should be punch?)
Fixed.

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In Ranged 3, turn 4, Zach suffers an Major Wound and rolls for Knockdown and Stunning. The roll should have a -5 because the Wound is in the Vitals (p. B420).
Fixed (rats, thought I found all of those!).


Regarding the Deceptive Attacks affecting Parry, I don't think that's the case either, though I haven't found a specific citation. The closest I see is B421, talking about attribute reduction (not skills): "Defensive reactions that don't require a maneuver to perform - active defenses, resistance rolls, Fright Checks, etc. - never suffer penalties for attribute reductions."
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Old 02-15-2008, 01:49 PM   #109
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Close Combat 1, Turn 3. Won't Arthur have to change posture to punch the prone Zack?
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:07 PM   #110
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Close Combat 1, Turn 3. Won't Arthur have to change posture to punch the prone Zack?
At least according to Rules-As-Written, I don't think so - the only mention I see about having to change posture for combat is B370, saying you can't grapple an opponent who is prone unless you are kneeling or prone. (Again, this is from Basic only - I'm sure MA has expanded rules on this).
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