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Old 05-17-2015, 12:11 PM   #91
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In fact simply making any population healthier and reducing minor miseries would enhance population growth. But only if the situation was favorable for population growth. Clean water, sanitary sewars, and vaccines, caused most of the population growth of the 20th century.
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Old 05-17-2015, 03:38 PM   #92
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In fact simply making any population healthier and reducing minor miseries would enhance population growth. But only if the situation was favorable for population growth. Clean water, sanitary sewars, and vaccines, caused most of the population growth of the 20th century.
Doctors washing their damn hands before delivering babies was probably just as big of a baby/mother saver.
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Old 05-18-2015, 11:33 AM   #93
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Doctors washing their damn hands before delivering babies was probably just as big of a baby/mother saver.
Agreed. But the other factors were vital too. After all there is more to life than Childbirth. Though, of course, without childbirth, you'd have nothing else.
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Old 05-18-2015, 12:26 PM   #94
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Agreed. But the other factors were vital too. After all there is more to life than Childbirth. Though, of course, without childbirth, you'd have nothing else.
And all those things don't just prevent deaths. They drastically reduce sickness and crippling which acts as a massive drain on productivity and morale.

I Learned not that long ago that the hand chainsaw was invented for obstetrics. Rickets often causes the pelvis not to properly expand during childbirth. No further explanation is necessary, I hope.
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The real idea behind the high-female-sex-ratio thing might well be to attract a lot of male colonist applicants so as to be able to pick the most desirable ones, the most skilled. "Do you want to live in a colony where 90% of the population are female, almost all of them cuter-than-averge, and virtually all bisexual?"

Think about it. Lots of men won't find the idea of permanently abandoning Earth attractive. So you add something that changes the picture, by catering to male fantasies.
I am inclined to suspect that the type of male who is going to go to so much trouble for that kind of fantasy is to stupid to survive in a space colony.
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I am inclined to suspect that the type of male who is going to go to so much trouble for that kind of fantasy is to stupid to survive in a space colony.
Bigotry has nothing to do with intelligence. It would be so much easier if it did.
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Old 05-18-2015, 06:16 PM   #97
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Bigotry has nothing to do with intelligence. It would be so much easier if it did.
I suppose you have a point. Still I cannot imagine wanting a sex machine enough to go to a colony world for her. Sure I might pity her if I knew her but then in such a case she would not be just a sex machine to me. Be that as it may, my ideal choice would be someone who had a mind of her own.

In any case such a template sounds more like a rich man's luxury then a frontiersmans partner.
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Well no, bigotry actually does have a lot to do with intelligence. Bigots underperform across the intellectual spectrum.

Now, opportunists that will happily engage in bigotry to make a quick buck, those are a different story.
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Old 05-19-2015, 05:44 AM   #99
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I suppose you have a point. Still I cannot imagine wanting a sex machine enough to go to a colony world for her...

In any case such a template sounds more like a rich man's luxury then a frontiersmans partner.
I just noticed that this design has another defficency, even if it would attract you to go you still wouldn't be going. We seem to have forgotten that the altered sex ratio is as species modification so the males will have to be engineered as well and at tl 9 that means breeding them too.

Going back to the OP's scenario (and to be fair the 90% hot women recruiting tool wasn't) what about the logistics. You are looking at producing 100,000 people at $54,000 a time (biotech p 65) just for the engineering so $5.4billion dollars has been spent already and they haven't even been born yet, while I don't have the time to dig out hard numbers for the additional expenses (at the moment) when you add surigacy, education and general care and feeding I would be willing to guess that after the twenty odd years it takes for them to become useful colonists the cost of these colonists will probably be at least three times that.

Is $17 billion and a say twenty five year run up practical? It depends upon the scenario but it is probably going to need a lot of special pleading.

Also ignoring the ethics of the design its self what are he ethics of mass producing populations for specific roles?
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:31 AM   #100
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Also ignoring the ethics of the design its self what are he ethics of mass producing populations for specific roles?
They will have to have specific roles anyway. If one ignores the "yuck" effect(which some believe is a canary in the coal mine) hereditary occupations do have precedent. On the other hand this would go far beyond that to making them suited for nothing else. If nothing else it condemns future generations to inordinate suffering if ever their occupation becomes obsolete. Even if such a thing does not happen, it necessarily creates a caste culture more fixed then any before. If nothing else, unless the colony is automatized pretty soon it will need someone for waste management. To genetically engineer someone for that is automatically to create Dalits, and more important, knowing humanity they will probably be treated as such unless bigotry is taken out during the process. All this is just the stuff that comes to mind. Almost surely there will be unforseen consequences.

If it is not made to breed true and is done to volunteers it is hard to see how it is different from going to a trade school. It does sound kind of yucky though.
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