What type of damage do drills do?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Plane

seems like ST should matter, I know if I just lightly rest a drill on wood it won't do anything

Power drills should have a min ST, but as long as you're strong enough to use them properly applying additional force will just make stuff freeze up.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by Plane

seems like ST should matter, I know if I just lightly rest a drill on wood it won't do anything

I think it's assumed you will use it properly, i.e. press hard enough to do damage.

[RGTraynor]

Originally Posted by The Colonel

I was under the impression that using a chainsaw as a weapon was likely to make it shed the chain - you'd inflict a moderately nasty superficial cut and then chaos would ensue.

Not any more so, say, than using a chainsaw as a weapon against a hardwood tree, which inflicts cuts on the trees that can hardly be called superficial.

Now someone in mail or a scale shirt, sure, that would do the long-term durability of a chainsaw no good. The short term durability of the poor bastard on the receiving end isn't likely to be better.

[malloyd]

Originally Posted by RGTraynor

Not any more so, say, than using a chainsaw as a weapon against a hardwood tree, which inflicts cuts on the trees that can hardly be called superficial.

If you use a chainsaw as a "weapon" against a tree, i.e. you try to swing it at the tree in the course of a second or less, you'll probably break the chainsaw without doing anything much to the tree. Inflicting non-superficial wounds on trees involves fairly gentle contact which you hold and slowly advance for 10s of seconds. It's a different situation than weapon use.

I really regret tools being given a damage statistic at all based on long term use. Ultimately it leads you to stuff like "I can disassemble the ablative armor on this vehicle with a screwdriver in a couple hours, so it inflicts dozens of points a damage a second and I should be able to use it to kill people in body armor easily..."

[Prince Charon]

Originally Posted by malloyd

I really regret tools being given a damage statistic at all based on long term use. Ultimately it leads you to stuff like "I can disassemble the ablative armor on this vehicle with a screwdriver in a couple hours, so it inflicts dozens of points a damage a second and I should be able to use it to kill people in body armor easily..."

That's when it's the GM's job say 'no, that is not how it works.'

[oneofmanynameless]

Originally Posted by malloyd

If you use a chainsaw as a "weapon" against a tree, i.e. you try to swing it at the tree in the course of a second or less, you'll probably break the chainsaw without doing anything much to the tree. Inflicting non-superficial wounds on trees involves fairly gentle contact which you hold and slowly advance for 10s of seconds. It's a different situation than weapon use.

Fun fact: I've seen people swing chainsaws at trees. At least at very small trees (three inches of soft green wood, very different then older tougher wood of, say, the trunk of a larger tree, but still tougher then flesh.) The chainsaw cut straight through them without any problems. The people involved were park rangers, and conservation core professionals with chainsaw use and safety training. They had a fun story from their training camp of one of the people there mishandling a chainsaw against instructions and loosing a finger from brief contact.

It might be fair to say that the speed at which chainsaw's operate makes all attacks with them slow enough to automatically be Telegraphed, but considering how devastating even a light touch with one would be to anything as soft as flesh you could adopt fencing style techniques of keeping the blade between you and your target, aimed at your target, and use small quick presses instead of hard swings, and you'd very very quickly take a person apart.

That said, there is protectively clothing that's extremely effective against chainsaws: Kevlar will get torn up by it but the threads it will thoroughly entangle the blade and disable the saw before it could get through even very soft lightweight armor that couldn't meaningfully qualify for more then 1 cut only flexible DR.

[johndallman]

Originally Posted by oneofmanynameless

That said, there is protectively clothing that's extremely effective against chainsaws: Kevlar will get torn up by it but the threads it will thoroughly entangle the blade and disable the saw before it could get through even very soft lightweight armor that couldn't meaningfully qualify for more then 1 cut only flexible DR.

Specialised protective equipment can be "safe unless you really mess things up." After almost chopping off a fingertip with a small sharp meat knife, I bought a cheap mail gauntlet, which stops that same knife completely.

[Verjigorm]

Originally Posted by malloyd

If you use a chainsaw as a "weapon" against a tree, i.e. you try to swing it at the tree in the course of a second or less, you'll probably break the chainsaw without doing anything much to the tree. Inflicting non-superficial wounds on trees involves fairly gentle contact which you hold and slowly advance for 10s of seconds. It's a different situation than weapon use.

I really regret tools being given a damage statistic at all based on long term use. Ultimately it leads you to stuff like "I can disassemble the ablative armor on this vehicle with a screwdriver in a couple hours, so it inflicts dozens of points a damage a second and I should be able to use it to kill people in body armor easily..."

I assure you, the contact isn't "gentle", and swinging a chainsaw through smaller trees, brush and the like will still cut that stuff down faster than using a manual tool. Swinging it full force into a large tree, or any other solid object, isn't good for the chainsaw, but brief contact of a chainsaw(measure in seconds) can and will inflict considerable damage to anything it's capable of cutting.

Back to drills, this is really going to matter on the type of bit used. A hardened tool steel bit, like the sort used to drill into concrete or masonry is not going inflict much damage to a person on a combat scale, unless you can pin them down and shove it into them. On the other hand, a sharp bit made for cutting wood will certainly do so. And Auger bits, well, they're extremely good at catching on clothing, hair, fingers, etc, and would hurt a great deal.

[Witchking]

Originally Posted by oneofmanynameless

What the title says: what type of damage do drills do? How would you model an innate attack that was a drill?

Eh made my will roll for 5 days straight then...

The painful kind of damage.

This concludes this Test of the Emergency Bad Joke Warning System. In the event of a real Bad Joke...

[Lovewyrm]

I also don't know if a 'loose chainsaw' would be that devastating.
Probably not really, especially if naked, but something really long and tangly it might get nasty.

This madlad here uses it to propel himself on ice and the cuts are relatively shallow, but it's also slippery ice, not a textured log or flesh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6plKMU0tTTk