11-07-2013, 09:50 AM | #1 |
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ST Based Breath Weapon Damage
I've been trying to figure out the proper way to do this since I was designing a set of dragons.
I remember in 3E dragons had ST based damage to their breath which seemed to become just a hard damage in 4E cuz of innate attack. What I'd like to see if the modifiers you'd use on an innate attack to make it do ST-based damage instead. I saw Powers has it for melee, would ranged just be that with another 20% modifier or something for range? |
11-07-2013, 10:22 AM | #2 |
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Re: ST Based Breath Weapon Damage
The ST-Based enhancement is expanded upon greatly in Power-Ups 4. There it specifies that it can only be used for muscle-powered attacks, so no Cones or Jets allowed. The +100% version can be used for ranged attacks (bows and the like), and there's a new +30% version with additional limitation suitable for a melee weapon.
For a muscle-powered breath weapon you'd need Cosmic +50% to bypass the inherent limitations of ST-Based. Personally, I'd just build the dragons with a normal Innate Attack, and a Taboo Trait (Breath Weapon damage cannot exceed ST/5 dice, for example.) The power of their breath attack isn't really provided by their muscles, it's just limited by their mass, which ST is a proxy for. |
11-07-2013, 10:37 AM | #4 |
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Re: ST Based Breath Weapon Damage
It's explicitly outlawed on all obvious paths except for the one where the cost depends on the amount of damage added. If you're the GM, just do it and say it costs so many dice of damage (perhaps two). But the system thought anything like that was abusive. They may or may not have a point.
If you're not the GM, just do the math or get someone else to: this way is mined, and you won't make much headway.
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11-07-2013, 10:46 AM | #5 | |
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I'd argue it'd take fatigue to use though, since you are using your breath to blow out whatever element (Fire) you are using. Anyway that sounds muscle powered to me. |
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11-07-2013, 10:47 AM | #6 |
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11-07-2013, 11:00 AM | #8 |
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I'm not so certain on that.
Where's all the thermodynamics professors when I need one? If the inhale of the air is relative to the strength of the muscles containing the gasses, then it's expunged, does the rate of the air passing over something change how much heat transfers? |
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Then you could also add a Ready Requirement to the ability because the dragon has to pull in mass amounts of air before expelling it. |
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