10-27-2010, 09:33 AM | #41 |
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Re: Low-Tech Armour Loadouts.
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10-28-2010, 07:35 AM | #42 | |
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Re: Low-Tech Armour Loadouts.
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That'd be OK too.
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10-30-2010, 08:46 PM | #43 |
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Re: Low-Tech Armour Loadouts.
I was inspired to make something that might be useful: loadouts based on the armor in the D20 SRD. Corrections are welcome. It seemed like something fast for a Dungeon Fantasy game.
Padded Cloth, Padded DR 1* $50.00 6# Torso Cloth, Padded DR 1* $25.00 3# Arms Cloth, Padded DR 1* $50.00 6# Legs Cloth, Padded DR 1* $5.00 0.6# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Pot Helm, Medium Leather, Padding DR 3*/2* imp $30.00 3.6# Skull $240.00 22.2# Leather Leather, Medium DR 2*/1* imp $100.00 12# Torso Leather, Medium DR 2*/1* imp $50.00 6# Arms Leather, Medium DR 2*/1* imp $100.00 12# Legs Leather, Medium DR 2*/1* imp $10.00 1.2# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Pot Helm, Medium Leather, Padding DR 3*/2* imp $30.00 3.6# Skull $370.00 37.8# Studded leather Brigandine, Light DR 3 $900.00 10# Torso Brigandine, Light DR 3 $450.00 5# Arms Brigandine, Light DR 3 $900.00 10# Legs Leather, Medium DR 3 $10.00 1.2# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Pot Helm, Light Brigandine, Padding DR 4 $190.00 3.2# Skull $2,530.00 32.2# Chain shirt Mail, Light DR 3*/1* cr $500.00 12# Torso Mail, Light DR 3*/1* cr $250.00 6# Arms Mail, Light DR 3*/1* cr $225.00 5.4# Thighs Cloth, Padded DR 1* $50.00 6# Legs Cloth, Padded DR 1* $5.00 0.6# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Pot Helm, Light Plate, Padding DR 4 $210.00 2.8# Skull $1,320.00 35.8# Hide Leather, Heavy DR 3/2 imp $200.00 20# Torso Leather, Heavy DR 3/2 imp $100.00 10# Arms Leather, Heavy DR 3/2 imp $200.00 20# Legs Leather, Heavy DR 3/2 imp $20.00 2# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Pot Helm, Heavy Leather, Padding DR 4/3 imp $50.00 5.2# Skull $650.00 60.2# Scale mail Scale, Light DR 3/2 cr $320.00 16# Torso Scale, Light DR 3/2 cr $160.00 8# Arms Scale, Light DR 3/2 cr $320.00 16# Legs Scale, Light DR 3/2 cr $32.00 1.6# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Bascinet, Light Scale, Padding DR 4/3 cr $92.50 5.5# Skull, Face (back) $1,004.50 50.1# Chainmail Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $900.00 15# Torso Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $450.00 7.5# Arms Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $900.00 15# Legs Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $90.00 1.5# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Coif, Fine Mail, Padding DR 5*/3* cr $285.00 6.3# Skull, Face (back), Neck $2,705.00 48.3# Breastplate Plate, Medium DR 6 $1,875.00 15# Chest Cloth, Padded DR 1* $12.50 1.5# Abdomen Cloth, Padded DR 1* $25.00 3# Arms Cloth, Padded DR 1* $50.00 6# Legs Plate, Light DR 3 $500.00 4# Shins Cloth, Padded DR 1* $5.00 0.6# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Bascinet, Medium Plate, Padding DR 7 $637.50 6.5# Skull, Face (back) $3,185.00 39.6# Splint mail/Banded mail Mail, Fine (Banded) DR 4* $1,012.50 16.875# Chest Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $225.00 3.75# Abdomen Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $450.00 7.5# Arms Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $900.00 15# Legs Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $90.00 1.5# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Coif, Fine Mail, Padding DR 5*/3* cr $285.00 6.3# Skull, Face (back), Neck $3,042.50 53.925# Half-plate Plate, Medium DR 6 $1,875.00 15# Chest Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $225.00 3.75# Abdomen Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $450.00 15# Arms Plate, Medium DR 6 $250.00 2# Shoulders Plate, Medium DR 6 $250.00 2# Upper Arms Mail, Fine DR 4*/2* cr $900.00 15# Legs Plate, Medium DR 6 $1,250.00 10# Shins Mail, Fine DR 4* $90.00 1.5# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Coif, Fine Mail, Padding DR 5*/3* cr $285.00 6.3# Skull, Face (back), Neck $5,655.00 66.05# Full plate Plate, Medium DR 6 $2,500.00 20# Torso Plate, Medium DR 6 $1,250.00 10# Arms Plate, Medium DR 6 $2,500.00 20# Legs Plate, Medium DR 6 $250.00 2# Hands Boots DR 2 $80.00 3# Feet Coif, Fine Mail, Padding DR 5*/3* cr $285.00 6.3# Skull, Face (back), Neck Greathelm, Medium Plate DR 6 $875.00 7# Head $7,740.00 68.3# Last edited by Rasputin; 11-03-2010 at 09:18 PM. Reason: Oopses |
11-03-2010, 05:39 PM | #44 |
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Re: Low-Tech Armour Loadouts.
In a similar vein, I put together some sets based on general "role" as I have been eyeballing them. I provide two sums - one with just raw cost and weight summed, and one assuming that everything in the set is Fine (as per DF, not per Low Tech various modifiers). I also provide the ST at which this loadout is Light Encumberance, and at which it is No Encumberance at all.
Noncombatant (Scholar, Thief, Wizard...) Boots DR 2 $12.50 1.5# Feet Heavy Greatcoat DR 2* $382.50 30.6# Torso, Groin, Arms, Legs, Neck Leather Gloves DR 2* $36.00 1.5# Hands Light Plate Pot Helm DR 3 $200.00 1.6# Skull Pot Helm Padding DR 1* $10.00 1.2# Skull Total $641.00 36.4# Light Enc@10, No Enc@14 Fine Total $2,564.00 27.3# Light Enc@9, No Enc@12 Light Skirmisher (Cleric, Scout, Swashbuckler...) Boots DR 2 $12.50 1.5# Feet Leather Mittens DR 2* $12.00 1.5# Hands Medium Mail Hauberk DR 4/2* $900.00 15# Torso, Groin Layered Cloth Sleeves DR 2* $75.00 6# Arms Layered Cloth Leggings DR 2* $150.00 12# Legs Leather Stock DR 2* $6.00 0.8# Neck Light Plate Pot Helm DR 3 $200.00 1.6# Skull Light Mail Coif DR 3/1* $150.00 3.6# Skull, Neck Coif Padding DR 1* $15.00 1.8# Skull, Neck Total $1,520.50 43.8# Light Enc@11, No Enc@15 Fine Total $6,082.00 32.85# Light Enc@10, No Enc@13 Mid Weight Grunt (Cleric, Holy Warrior, Knight…) Light Sabotons DR 3 $100.00 0.8# Feet Light Mail Mittens DR 3/1* $50.00 1.2# Hands Heavy Mail Hauberk DR 5/3* $1,200.00 18# Torso, Groin Medium Mail Sleeves DR 4/2* $450.00 7.5# Arms Medium Mail Leggings DR 4/2* $900.00 15# Legs Light Plate Pot Helm DR 3 $200.00 1.6# Skull Medium Mail Coif DR 4/2* $270.00 4.5# Skull, Neck Coif Padding DR 1* $15.00 1.8# Skull, Neck Total $3,185.00 50.4# Light Enc@12, No Enc@16 Fine Total $12,740.00 37.8# Light Enc@10, No Enc@14 Heavy Weight Grunt (Holy Warrior, Knight…) Heavy Sabotons DR 6 $250.00 2# Feet Mail and Plate Gauntlets DR 5/4 $100.00 2# Hands Medium Brigandine Corselet DR 5 $1,800.00 20# Torso, Groin Medium Brigandine Sleeves DR 5 $900.00 10# Arms Medium Brigandine Leggings DR 5 $1,800.00 20# Legs Light Gorget DR 3 $50.00 0.4# Neck Full Helm Padding DR 1* $15.00 1.8# Skull, Face Heavy Plate Full Helm DR 6 $750.00 6# Skull, Face Total $5,665.00 62.2# Light Enc@13, No Enc@18 Fine Total $22,660.00 46.65# Light Enc@11, No Enc@16 Taaaaank (Brute...) Heavy Sabotons DR 6 $250.00 2# Feet Heavy Gauntlets DR 6 $250.00 2# Hands Heavy Plate Harness DR 9 $4,000.00 32# Torso, Groin Medium Plate Sleeves DR 6 $1,250.00 10# Arms Medium Plate Leggings DR 6 $2,500.00 20# Legs Heavy Gorget DR 6 $125.00 1# Neck Full Helm Padding DR 1* $15.00 1.8# Skull, Face Heavy Plate Full Helm DR 6 $750.00 6# Skull, Face Light Greathelm DR 3 $350.00 2.8# Skull, Face, Neck Total $9,240.00 75.6# Light Enc@14, No Enc@20 Fine Total $36,960.00 56.7# Light Enc@12, No Enc@17 EDIT: I just realize I renamed almost everything for colour value while working on a DF cut of the equipment list. Hopefully you can figure out what I'm blathering on about. Also relevant is a houserule - all hand armor is Mittens, giving Hamfisted 1. "Gloves" is a +2 CF upgrade that removes the Hamfisted problem, only available on light versions of cloth, leather, and Mail, Light
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11-03-2010, 05:48 PM | #45 |
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Re: Low-Tech Armour Loadouts.
General observation - armor is expensive. PCs with the same starting cash will be crappier armoured. Cheap/Munitions armor should be either pushed aggressively for PCs, or PCs should spend a significant amount of points on wealth, or the game will have lower DRs.
Alternately, when integrating with an existing game, or a game where the "traditional" balance of armor vs other equipment is appropriate (DF, I'm looking at you), slash all armor costs to 75% the listed price, or even 50%. Mix to taste with "Double or triple cost for hand, foot, and neck armor" if you're trying to passively encourage PCs to build semi-realistic armor sets for themselves.
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11-03-2010, 06:04 PM | #46 |
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Re: Low-Tech Armour Loadouts.
Armor is also seriously heavy
I know some players who give their character front torso armor only, on the idea it can soak on the most common hit location or force enemies to suffer to hit penalties vs weaker locations, but wont slow them/give dodge penalties/etc Also if its for DF armor sets, Lighten 25% is practically a requirement |
11-03-2010, 06:09 PM | #47 | |
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Getting light armor (With Low Tech) is mostly a matter of Spending More Money. Which means that if you want to encourage that sort of thing, you can either give out More Money in general, or specifically slash armor costs. Lighten is still a good investment, no arguments there - it's way cheaper for fancy armor than upgrading the armor mundanely.
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11-03-2010, 06:18 PM | #48 |
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Re: Low-Tech Armour Loadouts.
Well, depends on exactly what armor is being looked at
The basic set leather jacket is definitely one of the ultimate examples of DR to weight ratio, its one of the most popular armor choices Ive seen (particularly with Fortify 1 tossed on it) |
11-06-2010, 04:42 AM | #49 | |
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Fur loincloth: not reproducible, closest equivalent is partial winter clothing. Cost & weight uncertain. Fur tunic: not reproducible, closest equivalent is partial winter clothing. Cost & weight uncertain. Bronze Breastplate: Bronze light plate +1 heavy, front half chest. $2250, 4.5 lb Bronze Corselet: Bronze light plate +2 heavy chest, $6000, 12 lb (no sliding rivets) and Bronze heavy segmented plate abdomen, $1200, 8 lb Cloth Armor: Padded Cloth torso, $50, 6 Leather Armor: Medium Hardened Leather torso, $125, 15 lb Leather Jacket: not reproducible. Closest performance might be padded cloth arms and torso minus groin. $72.5, 8.7 lb. Or padded cloth arms and chest $62.5, 7.5 lb for a short jacket. Closest to concept may be partial winter clothing/light leather. Light Scale Armor: Light scale chest, $240, 12 lb. Has -1 DR vs crushing. Lorica Segmentata: For actual lorica segmentata, see box on LT 115. To match the Basic Set table entry: Heavy segmented plate chest, $900, 24 lb Mail Hauberk: Fine mail torso, $900, 15 lb Mail Shirt: Fine mail chest, $675, 11.25 lb Scale Armor: Medium scale torso, $550, 28 lb. Has -1 DR vs crushing. Double Mail Hauberk: Heavy mail torso, $1200, 18 lb Heavy Steel Corselet: Not covered at TL3. TL4 version: Light plate +4 heavy chest, $2250, 18 lb and Light segmented plate +4 heavy abdomen, $450, 12 lb It might be appropriate to treat large iron plates at TL3 as cheap, without reduced cost (possibly with increased cost). This would make the chest plate: Primitive light plate +5 heavy chest, $3000, 21 lb (no sliding rivets) Steel Breastplate: Light plate +2 heavy, front half chest. $750, 6 lb Steel Corselet: TL issue as Heavy Steel Corselet. At TL4: Medium plate chest, $1875, 15 lb and Light segmented plate +3 heavy abdomen, $375, 10 lb Possible TL3 chest plate: Primitive light plate +4 heavy chest, $2250, 18 lb (no sliding rivets) Steel Laminate Plate: Heavy scale torso, $1,100, 40 lb. (on the bright side, it's TL2, not TL3) Buff Coat: the neck protection is problematic. Low Tech seems to indicate simple collars don't work for neck protection. Simple leather buff coat: Medium leather torso and arms, $150, 18 lb. -1 DR vs impaling. Collar would add $5 and .6 lb. Layered leather buff coat: Light layered leather torso and arms, $180, 22.5 lb. Collar would add $6 and .75 lb.
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