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Unfortunately, I have no idea how to get vBulletin to show a simple Word or Excel table. If it's just for a single character, there is usually space for a few notes for his armour, such as: Mail Shirt DR 4/2 --- Weight 25 --- Covers areas 9-10 and 17-18. -1 DR imp+, +2 DR cut-, +1 DR cut.
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As Luther remarked upthread, scaling is a problem for when that happy day when we finally have rules about thicker and thinner armour. As it happens, the simplified values are approximated from a previous scaleable rule, so if I wanted to scale the armour, here's how I would do it.
A note first, any scaling of DR would maintain a split armour DR like the mail 4/2 in the same proportions, aside from these rules. Soft flexible: Most flexible armour like fur, cloth, leather and the buff coat. At DR 3, add +1 DR vs. cut-. For every full 3 points of DR after that, add a +1 to DR against cut- and subtract a -1 DR against imp+. In addition to that, for every 6 full points of DR over 3, add a +1 to DR against cut and subtract a -1 from DR against imp and cr+. Soft rigid: Leather, light scale and studded leather. For every 3 full points of DR after DR 3, add a +1 DR against cut- and subtract a -1 DR against imp+. In addition to that, for every 6 full points of natural DR over 3, add a +1 DR against cut and subtract -1 DR against cr+. Metal flexible: Mail and double mail. At DR 6, mail (but not double mail, which already has this bonus) receives a +1 DR against cut- and +1 DR against cut. At DR 9, both types receive a +1 DR against cut- and cut; as well as -1 DR against imp+. For every full 3 points of DR after that, add a +1 DR against cut-. For every full 6 points after that, add a +1 DR against cut and a -1 DR against imp+. Metal rigid: Lorica segmentata, scale and plate. At DR 9 add a +1 DR against cut- and cut and subtract a -1 DR against imp+ and cr+. For every 3 full points DR over 9, add a +1 DR against cut- and subtract a -1 DR against imp+. In addition to that, for every 6 full points of DR over 9, add a +1 DR against cut and subtract -1 DR against cr+.
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FWIW get rid of "studded leather". It never existed historically as an armour typology.
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10-23-2007, 05:20 AM | #16 | |
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IIRC, the only "studded leather" piece of armor in the Basic Set is a skirt, presumably designed to supplement scale, mail, and plate armor as "groin and leg" padding.
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10-23-2007, 08:33 AM | #17 | |
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To me at least, 'studded leather' represents any and all leather armour that is supported in some way with metal.
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Even if no historical army ever fielded troops wearing studded leather, orcs in fantasy worlds wear armour that's leather with some metal rivets. We need stats for such armour. Quote:
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I have been looking online for one pictures I have in a book in hand, but cannot find it. But this picture looks well enough like it to illustrate the point. Is this the type of thing you are calling "studded leather" Icelander. It is leather armor that is supported by metal, but it is not the studs (or rivets) that increase its defensive capability. It is the metal plates on the other side. I would think you would want to differentiate between something like this and the traditional fantasy studded leather AD&D describes.
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