07-04-2006, 06:18 AM | #21 | |
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Re: Armoury of Antiquity: Questions regarding archaic arms and armor
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07-04-2006, 06:22 AM | #22 | |
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07-04-2006, 06:37 AM | #23 | |
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07-04-2006, 10:37 AM | #24 | |
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07-04-2006, 11:21 AM | #25 |
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07-04-2006, 06:18 PM | #26 |
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Re: Armoury of Antiquity: Questions regarding archaic arms and armor
The scale/lamellar article available to anyone but the "Chainmail" one is only available to subscribers. I've changed my opinion on lamellar. The article says that it was worn by vikings and was first worn by Assyrians. More recent research suggests that the vikings did not wear it and that the Assyrians wore scale armour. The earliest instance of true lamellar I've been able to confirm dates to the Warring States period in China.
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07-04-2006, 06:45 PM | #27 |
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Re: Armoury of Antiquity: Questions regarding archaic arms and armor
Just to add in another point, after reducing armor weights to more realistic levels, you may also want to consider that Cataphracts might've likely picked their horses for high ST and not use a typical creature.
Per p.457, ST varies by up to 20% for large creatures, which would mean you could conceivably have a Cavalry Horse with 22-26 ST and a Heavy Warhorse with 24-29 ST. (I also consider many of those animal ST numbers too low and would expect many animals to have a few levels of Lifting ST too.) |
07-04-2006, 07:31 PM | #28 | |
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As I understand lameller is a type of scale armor. It is lighter and meant primarily to deflect arrows and was therefore popular among Eastern and Central Asian Warriors who lived in country where the bow was more used. It has been a while since I looked that up and I forget what lameller entailed though I think it had less metal and more leather and heavy cloth. Metal scale armor was more used in the Meditteranean. Apparently it was not as hot as regular mail. There would have been no reason that could not have been used by Vikings though, as a number of Vikings travelled into the Med. For that matter "Rus" vikings probably used Central Asian style lameller at times. One sensible way to figure out whether "Vikings wore lameller" is to remember that vikings were not standardized as they would be if they were a modern army. They were a collection of individuals armed according to their weath and taste. Therefore any viking can be armed any way as long as such a fashion was compatable with: A) the mission-you can't take horses on a longship for instance and if you tried the captain would throw you overboard. William the conqueror took horses but only for a short trip and it was a wierd thing to do even so. Byzantines took horses but they had specialized ships B) the vikings sphere of influence-this was very wide and contacted many cultures. Thus it would not be difficult to explain that a given character had developed a taste for lameller armor travelling in the East. What would be odd would be to have an army of vikings in lameller By the way chain-mail is a recent word. The word mail simply means net-armor, because the rings fitting into each other looked like a net. The adjective chain would hav been felt redundent. |
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07-04-2006, 09:25 PM | #29 | |
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07-05-2006, 12:40 AM | #30 | |
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