Bard Enthrall Ability and (not) winning the game

[mindulino]

Hi,

I have a question about the ability in the topic, I already read this post: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=88865

but my situation is quite different:

A munchkin level 8 is in combat with two monsters, so if he defeat them he win.
But his combat strength is insufficent. So he decide to use the bard ability not in order to win but for include another player in combat end force him to run away/suffer bad stuff. In fact the combat strength of the player involved plus the combat strength of the player enthralled is in any way insufficient to beat the monsters: the role 'You may not win the game with this power' is invalid.
Is this line of reasoning correct, he can use the bard's ability?


P.S. very very sorry for the english, I hope it is understendable.

Thanks

[Bampop]

No. If the winning level is within the realm of possibility, the ability can't be used.

[Mister Ed]

Yeah, what you have to check in order to see whether you can use the Bard Enthrall is whether you would get the winning level if you won the combat. It makes no difference how unlikely (or even seemingly impossible) winning the combat might be. If you are level 8 and the combat would provide two levels if you win it, then you can't use the ability.

[mindulino]

thank you.

[Clipper]

Also, if the combat isn't for the win when you use Enthrall, but somehow becomes for the win at a later stage, such as if a Wandering Monster were added and there are now enough levels that you would win, your compelled helper gets the choice to leave the combat for free (and almost certainly will).

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by Clipper

Also, if the combat isn't for the win when you use Enthrall, but somehow becomes for the win at a later stage, such as if a Wandering Monster were added and there are now enough levels that you would win, your compelled helper gets the choice to leave the combat for free (and almost certainly will).

It's not a choice. The helper is expelled from the fight.

[Clipper]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

It's not a choice. The helper is expelled from the fight.

Thanks for the correction. I had taken MunchkinMan's previous responses that the helper is 'allowed' to leave the combat as the method to use here, but I note that your previous rulings have been consistent with the stricter wording that the helper is simply booted.

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by Clipper

Thanks for the correction. I had taken MunchkinMan's previous responses that the helper is 'allowed' to leave the combat as the method to use here, but I note that your previous rulings have been consistent with the stricter wording that the helper is simply booted.

If the helper wanted to rejoin (especially if he would somehow also win, e.g., an Elf, or under the shared win rule where the helper wins as well, regardless of level), he certainly could, which is what I was probably going for.