Steve Jackson Games - Site Navigation
Home General Info Follow Us Search Illuminator Store Forums What's New Other Games Ogre GURPS Munchkin Our Games: Home

Go Back   Steve Jackson Games Forums > Roleplaying > GURPS

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-02-2013, 06:18 AM   #21
Sunrunners_Fire
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Walrus View Post
Are we talking about the same Reflexive?
This doesn't assume you have built-in Danger Sense to activate your defenses. This just means that if you have one, you can activate your ability in zero time outside of your turn as a free action.
No, this is me forgetting that the power defense rules are general features rather than a source-specific rule (as I treat them as a source-specific rule in my games).

Oops.
Sunrunners_Fire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2013, 08:11 AM   #22
Jovus
 
Jovus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

Innate Attack (Affects Insubstantial, +50%)

Though that's cheating if the GM does it without a lead-up.
Jovus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2013, 08:15 AM   #23
Nosforontu
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZmbeHntr View Post
Is there any way to kill a character with Insubstantial (Reflexive, +40%) without using an attack that has Affects Insubstantial?
If all you have is mundane countermeasures one possibility is to put the character into arcs of fire that they might not be willing to use their turns insubstantial power. This works specificaly well when the character is a fanatic towards something, has a sense of duty or dependent.

Scenarios like this: "Yes you can certainly turn insubstantial and the bullet aimed at your lower torso will absolutely not hit you...of course your 10 year old little brother who doesnt have insubstantial is standing right behind you and the bullet arc will make it a head shot against him. Whats your final decision?"
Nosforontu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2013, 09:43 AM   #24
B9anders
 
B9anders's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Denmark
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZmbeHntr View Post
Is there any way to kill a character with Insubstantial (Reflexive, +40%) without using an attack that has Affects Insubstantial?
deceptive attack good enough for him to fail his power dodge.

Reflexive isn't Cosmic: Unfailing Defence. It's just a 40% enhancement that allows you to make a power dodge thanks to a level of reduced time and in some cases do this instinctively where someone merely with reduced time would not get a defence roll (I allow it even when the character is surprised, though at a -2 penalty reflecting the -4 activation roll normally on reflexive 'switching itself on').

If the character wants to not roll at all for power dodges, he needs the cosmic modifiers from Power-Ups:4.

Reflexive is really not much better for defences and such than reduced time. It comes into its own far more when applying to things like Mind-Reading, Detect and senses requiring activation, effectively turning them from passive to active senses.

Last edited by B9anders; 07-02-2013 at 09:47 AM.
B9anders is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2013, 09:48 AM   #25
B9anders
 
B9anders's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Denmark
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

Quote:
Originally Posted by David Johnston2 View Post
Insubstantial doesn't stop Afflictions.
yes it does.

It's Maledictions that it doesn't stop.

edit: well I suppose technically Insubstantiality doesn't stop the affliction. But neither does it affect the insubstantial character unless suitably modified with Affects Insubstantial or Malediction.
B9anders is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2013, 10:37 AM   #26
Jerander
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Rochester, MN
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

I think your answer lies on p. 63 of the Basic Set: "The GM may rule that certain materials, energy barriers, magic spells, etc. are impenetrable to your particular form of Insubstantiality."

What certain materials are impenetrable to the particular form of Insubstantiality? Make bullets (or swords, or cages...) of that.
Jerander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2013, 10:39 AM   #27
Jerander
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Rochester, MN
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

Is Standard Spell Magic available in the setting? Look up Materialize, Astral Block, and other spirit-affecting spells.
Jerander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2013, 05:21 PM   #28
lexington
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

Use Fast-Talk.
lexington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2013, 12:51 AM   #29
kirbwarrior
 
kirbwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Dreamland
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Walrus View Post
<snip>
Weird. I've always rules that Reflexive is automatic, but you have to choose to do it (insubstantial would turn on and stay on until you turn it off). I can't quite tell reading over that page if Power Dodging is assumed for Reflexive (I'd use it if you had Reduced Time only, though).
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmicfish View Post
While I do not think that GURPS is perfect I do think that it is more balanced than what I am likely to create by GM fiat.
kirbwarrior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2013, 05:44 AM   #30
B9anders
 
B9anders's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Denmark
Default Re: How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kirbwarrior View Post
Weird. I've always rules that Reflexive is automatic, but you have to choose to do it (insubstantial would turn on and stay on until you turn it off). I can't quite tell reading over that page if Power Dodging is assumed for Reflexive (I'd use it if you had Reduced Time only, though).
the rules for power dodge mentions reduced time or reflexive as common prerequisites for being able to power dodge.
B9anders is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
affects insubstantial, insubstantiality, power dodge, reflexive

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Fnords are Off
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.