How to Adapt Drunken Fighting Skill from 3E to 4E

[ravenfish]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

What? You mean Deceptive Attack? You can use Deceptive Attack in a Spinning Attack...

I think he meant Committed Attack, that being a requirement to use Spinning Attack [All-out Attack is also an option, but that generally takes it up from problematic straight to suicidal].

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

What? You mean Deceptive Attack? You can use Deceptive Attack in a Spinning Attack...

Originally Posted by ravenfish

I think he meant Committed Attack, that being a requirement to use Spinning Attack [All-out Attack is also an option, but that generally takes it up from problematic straight to suicidal].

I meant use Deceptive Attacks overall as part of the style.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Refplace

I meant use Deceptive Attacks overall as part of the style.

I'm questioning Plane's saying "Dedicated Attack".

[malloyd]

Originally Posted by Prince Charon

It's good for the 'fighting while intoxicated' part, but does not cover the 'moving in seemingly random ways that confuse the enemy' aspect of drunken fighting (which was, IIRC, one of the reasons for developing 'drunken' fighting in the first place, where realistic drunken fighting does not involve being drunk, only acting drunk).

Isn't that just a Feint? Couldn't you just Rapid Strike every turn and use one of your "attacks" as a Feint?

[Prince Charon]

Originally Posted by malloyd

Isn't that just a Feint? Couldn't you just Rapid Strike every turn and use one of your "attacks" as a Feint?

That's one way to do it, certainly, but not the only way, as noted above.

[Maz]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

No... because they aren't Feints. The Feint technique specifically only works against feints.

Martial Arts pg 100.
"By the same token, those who know any specialty of the Feint technique (p. 73) may use it to resist feints as well as to execute them."
(emphasis from the original text)

That Ruses and Beats use a Feint maneuver does not actually make them feints.

Yes. They are.
Martial Arts. p. 73 (the actual description of the Feint Technique):
"Feint includes knowledge of Beats (pp. 100-101) and
Ruses (p. 101). Make a STbased roll to attempt a Beat or
to use ST to resist one, an IQbased roll to try a Ruse, or a
Per-based roll to use Per to resist a Ruse".

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Maz

Yes. They are.
Martial Arts. p. 73 (the actual description of the Feint Technique):
"Feint includes knowledge of Beats (pp. 100-101) and
Ruses (p. 101). Make a STbased roll to attempt a Beat or
to use ST to resist one, an IQbased roll to try a Ruse, or a
Per-based roll to use Per to resist a Ruse".

Good catch, I missed that. Yeah, I'd separate them out, they're all very different things.