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05-27-2023, 12:16 AM | #11 | |
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Re: Social Stigma (Second-Class Citizen)—a poor simulation of historical sexism?
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05-27-2023, 09:20 AM | #12 | |
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What others appear to be trying to hang on Social Stigma are setting-wide Traits or even Intolerances on NPC's character sheets. The GM should probably warn PCs about those but it's nothing to do with Social Stigma. Perhaps the GM should _require_ Social Stigma for some character concepts as part of how that concept works in his setting.
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05-27-2023, 10:13 AM | #13 | |
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Also, Social Stigma (Valuable Property) means there is precedent for non-reaction-penalty effects of Social Stigma. Part of my thinking starting this thread was that in certain cultures, it might make sense to model women as having a -5 point Social Stigma that doesn't (or doesn't usually) grant a reaction penalty but has other downsides to make it worth -5 points.
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05-27-2023, 10:38 AM | #14 |
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Re: Social Stigma (Second-Class Citizen)—a poor simulation of historical sexism?
Probably just a baseline, and can (and perhaps is intended to be) stacked with intolerance and the like for greater penalties.
This kind of discrimination can be extremely casual and very common, after all, but might not actually have much of an impact. "I love women, but I wouldn't let them drive my car" A -1 possibly reflects such overall things. Doesn't mean that everyone who has such prejudices would treat women in the worst way possible. Unless they are sadistic, bullies, intolerant, a code they have to follow (eating pork is unclean is not that different to, a woman on her period is unclean and must be locked into a basement where she has to kneel on lego blocks and UK power plugs until her vile excretions cease)
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05-27-2023, 02:49 PM | #15 | |
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Refusing to eat pork because it's unclean is similar to refusing to sleep in the same bed as a menstruating woman. When you add on the basement/kneeling/legos that becomes external to another person, and no longer just a person adhering to an internal choice. |
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05-27-2023, 07:37 PM | #16 | |
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05-27-2023, 08:02 PM | #17 | |
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The two effects shouldn't be smooshed together like that. We probably need aa reverse of Legal Immunity, call it "Legal Restriction" maybe, for someone who has significantly fewer civil rights than normal.
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05-27-2023, 08:25 PM | #18 |
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It is generally easiest to treat social stigma as an average of -1. Being female is not really a universal reaction penalty, it's more like a larger penalty when you try to do things outside of your role.
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05-27-2023, 11:40 PM | #20 | |
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