12-20-2019, 09:10 AM | #11 | |
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
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Using specific numbers, a knobbed club from LT65 does +1 cr damage. If we scale it up for use by a SM+2 creature, it does x2.5 times the damage bonus, or +3 cr damage. A ST 10 wielder of the club does 1d+1 cr damage. A ST 20 wielder of the original club does 3d+3 damage, and a ST20 weilder of the enlarged club does 3d+5 damage. So most of the damage increase comes from improved ST, but some of it comes from a properly sized weapon.
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12-20-2019, 12:39 PM | #12 | |
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
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The damage table does imply a point of peak efficiency. However, I would hesitate to assume that damage corresponds to energy. Yes, that is questionable.
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12-20-2019, 03:14 PM | #13 |
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
Doubling your ST score quadruples your BL. Thus twice the distance because you are applying twice the amount of energy than before.
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12-20-2019, 03:39 PM | #14 | |
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
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Basically, throwing distance is equal to energy/weight * adjustment for angle, and energy is equal to force * distance (during the throwing process). This works out to (distance thrown) = (distance moved when throwing) * (force applied when throwing) / (weight) -- i.e. distance is based on arm length * BL/weight. There's some additional efficiency effects because muscle applies less force as its contraction speed increases, but in general a ST 20/SM 0 character should throw an 80 lb object (1xBL) exactly the same distance as a ST 10/SM 0 character would throw a 20 lb object. The GURPS throwing rules has the first character throw it twice as far. |
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12-20-2019, 09:32 PM | #15 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
My least favorite thing about throwing in the game: There's the BS system for throwing things, which (as noted above) isn't universally loved, but at least it's a generic system . . . which weapons then completely ignore anyway, each weapon using its own "distance = ST * X" rule. Bleah.
On top of that is the lack of reasonable mods to throwing distance for AOA, skill, or movement (i.e., a running throw). Hardly the kind of thing that destroys the game, but a minor dissatisfaction all the same.
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12-20-2019, 11:06 PM | #16 | |
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
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Also, weights under BL would be the more common things to be throwing in a non-supers game, so that should be where the system actually makes as much sense as possible, and it doesn't. Something like [BL]/[Object weight] x 5 yards, capped at ST x 5 yards (numbers made up, subject to reality testing, etc.) would make more sense. Then adjust them for 2-handed throws, time taken, run ups, only caring about distance rather than trying to hit something, and so on.
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12-21-2019, 12:23 AM | #17 |
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
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12-21-2019, 10:52 AM | #18 |
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Berkeley, CA
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
I already did. 2x ST should not let you throw 4x as much 2x as far, it should let you throw 4x as much for the same distance.
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12-22-2019, 11:44 PM | #19 |
Join Date: Dec 2016
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
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12-23-2019, 09:24 PM | #20 |
Join Date: Feb 2016
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Re: If I'm ×4 strong and my club is ×4 heavy, do I hit you with ×16 force?
Lifting ST and Striking ST are different though, so x2 overall ST is x16 increase in the energy available (x4 for the x4 increase in BL from x2 Lifting ST and x4 for the x2 increase in velocity from x2 Striking ST). A character with only x2 Lifting ST would throw x4 the weight the same velocity while a character with only x2 Striking ST would throw the same weight at twice the velocity.
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