06-18-2024, 10:02 AM | #21 | |
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Re: Umbrella as an Improvised Weapon
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06-20-2024, 10:19 AM | #22 |
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Re: Umbrella as an Improvised Weapon
What skill, though? Umbrellas are light and probably of the right length, so Smallsword? Or should it be Shortsword? Or are they unbalanced enough to need Axe/Mace? I could argue for any of them.
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06-20-2024, 11:39 AM | #23 |
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Re: Umbrella as an Improvised Weapon
Depending on the size of the umbrella, treat it as a baton or cane, so you could use it with Shortsword/Smallsword or Broadsword/Rapier as appropriate. If it's reinforced for self-defense (such umbrellas can be had today and have existed at least since the 19th century), that's it. Otherwise it breaks like a Cheap or worse weapon, and probably has -1 damage on a swing
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06-20-2024, 01:05 PM | #24 |
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Re: Umbrella as an Improvised Weapon
Shortsword is probably the closest fit, although personally I don't see much issue with allowing anything usable with that to be usable with Smallsword (a swing-heavy weapon like a falchion or machete might be a little questionable, but then I don't think Smallsword should be restricted to thrusts-only anyway). Depending on the design, flipping it around and whacking the target with the handle might use Axe/Mace, but only if said handle is relatively heavy. Larger umbrellas can probably use Broadsword/Rapier. Note the character will basically be "choking up" on the weapon above the release lever - trying to fight while holding it by the handle is just asking for it to open itself up, and an open umbrella is basically useless as a weapon (too much air resistance).
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06-20-2024, 02:55 PM | #25 | |
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The one used by Jet Li in the linked YouTube clip is clearly being used as a Short Staff, using Smallsword skill, at least mostly, with quick grip changes to use it with Shortsword skill (swung by the handle or used to stab) or Axe/Mace (held by the tip and used to hook). |
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06-20-2024, 06:59 PM | #26 |
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I got intrigued by the OP's question and did some research. Here's my selection of historical and modern umbrellas and how they might be used in combat, cinematic or otherwise.
Weights and costs for TL5+ goods are based on actual fact-checking, with prices mostly courtesy of the Amazonopoly, but also the wonderful 1916 Montgomery Ward Catalog available at Archive.org. Weights and costs for pre-TL5 goods are based on data for comparable modern items, but are made up. Weapon equivalents and skills used are mostly based on videos linked up-thread. Jet Li's cinematic take on Umbrella-Fu was particularly useful and fun, so that's where I started. The training videos for the Unbreakable Umbrella were depressingly pragmatic. You whomp people with the haft and poke them with the tip and that's it. Info for umbrellas used to protect against pepper spray and surveillance videos came from the most-recent Hong Kong protests. YMMV.
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06-20-2024, 10:07 PM | #27 |
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That last bit is excellent.
I wanted to make two comments. One, SOME telescoping umbrellas will telescope, if the canopy is bound, while others will not telescope UNLESS the canopy can also open. I've handled both. Two, with your Bulgarian umbrella, I'm pretty sure it's heavy metal poisoning that kills the victim, rather than the radiation of the polonium pellet. That it is radioactive is probably a compromise, as it probably makes the umbrella easier to detect, and the nature of the "illness" easier to discern. I could be wrong on this. Perhaps they're also banking on the radioactivity to add to the psychological horror of the attack, or perhaps the radiation is actually significant enough in its own right. |
06-21-2024, 06:44 PM | #28 | ||
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While many (most?) radioactive elements are toxic in their own right, ingesting a strong alpha radiation emitter like polonium can still mess you up really good. It might not kill you immediately, but it will make you sick for a long time and massively boosts your chances of getting cancer in the long run. Also, as you pointed out, it's a fantastic method of sending a very pointed "from Russia with love" message. It might also seriously confuse doctors who aren't familiar with radiation poisoning and who don't think to order an x-ray. Even so, tea is the traditional delivery vehicle, not a pointy umbrella. |
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06-22-2024, 06:50 AM | #29 | |
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The LD₅₀ for polonium-210 is estimated as 0.089 micrograms ingested, inhaled, or absorbed through the skin, from radiological effects alone.
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