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Old 09-19-2021, 02:29 AM   #1
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Writing up a Ghurka as a Monster Hunter in Victorian England. What are some appropriate social Advantages/Disadvantages/Quirks/Perks?

Social Stigma: Minority Group seems reasonable since he will definitely be viewed as a second class citizen. I don't think Courtesy Rank applies since native officers weren't equivalent to British officers. But some kind of recognition should be available for ex-military who recognise a good solid chap when they see one.
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:38 AM   #2
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Not a Gurkha, but this may be of some interest to you:

https://www.migrationmuseum.org/a-ne...orian-england/
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Old 09-19-2021, 03:07 AM   #3
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I think Courtesy Rank does make sense. Yes they get less respect than a British officer would but that is what the Second Class/Minority Status is for.

Medals equal Reputation so did they earn any?
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Old 09-19-2021, 05:04 AM   #4
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Soldier's Code of Honor? Sense of Duty (Unit)?

Social Regard (Feared)?
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Old 09-19-2021, 06:23 AM   #5
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Writing up a Ghurka as a Monster Hunter in Victorian England. What are some appropriate social Advantages/Disadvantages/Quirks/Perks?
There is a full template for a WWII-era Gurkha in GURPS WWII: All the King's Men, available in PDF from Warehouse 23.
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Old 09-19-2021, 06:57 AM   #6
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There is a full template for a WWII-era Gurkha in GURPS WWII: All the King's Men, available in PDF from Warehouse 23.
Given the time between Victorian England and WWII and the shift in sensibilities between peace and wartime, I'd probably go a bit heavier on the social disadvantages for the Gurkha in Victorian England than what those involved in WWII face. Nothing dramatic, but enough to signify that people were a bit more tolerant towards allied soliders of a different colour during a war.
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Old 09-20-2021, 04:21 AM   #7
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In a pretty rigid societal structure like that, it's possible that a Gurkha just out of his native region also gets Social Stigma: Uneducated. It's possible that this continues even after he's been in London for months or years, because most of the people he'll meet will expect him not to be "book-learned".

Also, as to social behavior (again, a rather rigid etiquette is in place in that society), it's possible he learns how to behave, and that he'll "know his place" - or not. This can be managed by the GM based on whether he learns the local Savoir-Faire, or not - or, worse, whether he has Incompetence with that (he'll then face frequent bad Reactions).
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Old 09-20-2021, 12:23 PM   #8
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In a pretty rigid societal structure like that, it's possible that a Gurkha just out of his native region also gets Social Stigma: Uneducated. It's possible that this continues even after he's been in London for months or years, because most of the people he'll meet will expect him not to be "book-learned".
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That's still social stigma "minority group". Uneducated isn't a stigma when it's what it is expected of you. In fact sometimes when it's expected of you, "educated" becomes an additional social stigma, although probably not in this case.

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What if his day job is as the bodyguard of a Rajah who is coming over to Europe for the gambling (or whatever)? That will make him less noticeable. After all a Rajah is going to have a bodyguard and what better choice?

He would have to be a Gurkha who had served his time in that case.

Or his principle could be a Rajah's dependent. There could be some amusing instances trying to keep little prince/princess out of trouble. Double the amusement if the principle is female and thinks him handsome. And what if she wants to go monster hunting with him?
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Old 09-27-2021, 04:00 PM   #10
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Writing up a Ghurka as a Monster Hunter in Victorian England. What are some appropriate social Advantages/Disadvantages/Quirks/Perks?
Assuming a retired ex-military character or current military who somehow ended up in the UK.

Advantages

Combat Reflexes

Damage Resistance (Tough Skin) 1 or 2.

Fearlessness or Unfazeable: "A man who says he is not afraid to die is either lying or a Gurkha." While it's not exactly appropriate for a Monster Hunter campaign, this is a character who could reasonably be Unfazeable.

Fit or Very Fit

High Pain Threshold

Courtesy Rank: As a Senior NCO or Junior Officer. Gurkhas weren't allowed to become senior officers until after WW2. Likely Havildar or Daffadar - equivalent to Sergeant. Full rank list here.) This should be pro-rated to just apply to military & ex-military who know and appreciate Gurkha soldiers, not stuffy "Horse Guards" officers who've never left the UK. At best, it's a quirk.

Reputation: Gurkhas will have a minor positive Reputation as being "Good Natives" who are generally cooperative with the Raj, which mostly applies to ex-military and colonial types. A former soldier will have some sort of Military reputation (in the form of decorations & campaign ribbons), plus the well-deserved Gurkha Reputation for fearlessness.

("Ee' might be a greasy little bugger, but ee's still Sergeant Major Greasy Little Bugger to you! I seen them Gurkhas stand as fast as Englishmen in a hard scrape. Git on their wrong side an' they'll gut you wit' their hooked knives quick as the devil an' grin like monkeys while they do it!")

Talent (Born Soldier or equivalent)

Temperature Tolerance

possibly Charisma.

possibly Weapon Master (Kukri)

Disads

Code of Honor (Military, Gurkha, &/or Nepalese): The second is a variant Warrior Code of Honor, the last is mostly quirk-level Hospitality towards strangers.

Disciplines of Faith (Buddhism or Hinduism): Most likely as a quirk.

Distinctive Features (Nepali living in Victorian London): Especially true if he's darker skinned and retains some or all of his native dress & customs.

Social Stigma: Minority Group. This will take the form of polite condescension and various "microaggressions" in most cases, but actual hostility from bigots and ruffians.

Quirks

Optimistic or Always Smiles: Gurkha are known for their generally positive outlook even in harsh conditions. This could also justify Congenial quirk or even Charisma.

Skills

Background Skills

Some or all of:

Area Knowledge (British Raj & home territory)
Animal Handling (Goats, Horse, Sheep, or Yaks)
Climbing - He's Nepalese. It comes with the abundance of vertical territory.
Farming/TL4 - Nepal was a very remote area with a large rural population.
Navigation (Land)
Occultism (Indian or Nepalese)
Philosophy (Buddhist, Hindu, or "Eastern")
Theology (Buddhist, Hindu)
Survival (Mountain or Forest)

Language: Accented spoken English, possibly Broken or even no Written English. Native level spoken native language, possibly Accented to No native Written language, plus a bit of spoken Urdu, Hindi, etc. or some other Indian/Pakistani language based on here he served. (A semi-literate character isn't going to have rank above NCO, however.) Maybe several other spoken Nepalese languages at Broken or Accented level and a tiny bit of written/spoken Sanskrit.

Military

Brawling
Guns (Rifle)
Hiking or Riding
Intimidation: For when he's NOT smiling.
Knife: For the small versions of the Kukri.
Leadership: For an NCO or junior officer.
Savoir-Faire (Military or Servant) - Good for playing the appropriately subordinate good native.
Shortsword: At moderate to high levels, for the medium-sized versions of the Kukri.
Soldier: At high levels. The Gurkhas always have been elite troops.
Spear: At modest levels, for use of the bayonet.
Stealth
Tactics (Personal or Small Unit)
Two-Handed Sword: At modest levels, for the rarely-used large versions of the Kukri.

possibly Karate, Thrown Weapon (Knife), Wrestling.

Keep in mind that the average Brit's reaction to him is going to be heavily dependent on his reason for being in England. If he's a currently-serving soldier wearing a recognizable uniform, or even ex-military in western clothing and some campaign ribbons on his chest, he'll get a lot more respect than if he's just some native chappie in ethnic costume.

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